Thanks for all of the input! First, before we go further, I had one observation on Vince Foster. This is a very layered case, almost Shakespearean. On the one hand, it's a case of political intrigue. It's also a murder. But think of the relationships. Bill Clinton grew up with Vince Foster. As they both went out to conquer the world, both had success in different areas but their paths intersected. At times, Vince helped Bill (such as getting Hillary into the Rose Law Firm) and likely he helped with other matters (financial) as well. At times, Bill helped Vince, like bringing him into the White House. There was always scuttlebutt that Hillary and Vince were lovers, although I have no opinion on that matter (yet). So these are boyhood chums from smalltown America who hit the big time ... together...
And if I am looking at this correctly, the Clintons either directly or indirectly arrange for Foster's murder. Judging from what you're told us about Foster's mood and attitude around the time of his death, he wasn't expecting anything like this. He thought everything was fine--that's my impression. And then he's dead.
That kind of savage betrayal is almost breathtaking.
Do you see any indication that Foster was double-crossing the Clintons? It sure looks to me like Foster thought he was a Clinton loyalist.
An investigation into Foster’s death (and the death of Ron Brown) should be opened by the Trump DOJ because, as you’ve said, there’s no statute of limitation on murder and there is plenty to suggest both were murders that were, at a minimum, covered up by the Clintons and, at worst, instigated by the Clintons. Now it just so happens I can add a to your description of the suspicious circumstances surrounding Foster’s death and the aftermath.
1. Right after Foster’s death, dozens of people were interviewed, including Foster’s wife and other family members, close friends (like Web Hubble), staff at the White House, and even Bill Clinton. Every single one of them said Foster showed no signs of depression. Then a week after Foster’s death, thraee of those witnesses (VInce’s wife, Lisa, her sister, Sheila, and her sister’s husband) changed their stories 180 degrees. Where previously Lisa, for instance, told police there was no sign of depression and that Vince wasn’t taking an anti-depressant, she suddenly claimed the exact opposite. And this happened immediately after Lisa and Sheila met with Bill Clinton in the Whitehouse. Those three witnesses were used to prove that Foster was “clinically” depressed. The rest of the witnesses were completely forgotten, including Foster’s doctor who explicitly stated Foster was not “clinically” depressed. Neither Fiske or later Starr showed any interest in why these three witnesses suddenly changed their stories.
2) Regarding the briefcase and the so-called suicide note, Starr fail to mention in his report that there were witnesses (two paramedics and two motorists) who testified they saw a briefcase in Foster's car at Fort Marcy Park. A briefcase is certainly something that Starr should have been interested in … especially when Foster's briefcase showed up in his office at the Whitehouse later, supposedly containing the so-called suicide note. Curiously, the note was *discovered* almost simultaneous with the three key witnesses changing their story. Fiske and then later Starr said the note was proof Foster committed suicide but during the Starr investigation when three, nationally recognized handwriting experts came out to publicly challenge its authenticity, it suddenly disappeared from the official story. It was then discovered that the Park Police officer who had ruled it authentic did so based on less than reliable methods. In fact, he was later given portions of the note by Reed Irvine (of AIM), without knowing it, in a different form, and he himself judged it to be an obvious forgery. Starr not only stopped mentioning the note but showed no interest in how it managed to get into Foster’s briefcase. He showed no interest when it was proven that a number of Clinton staffers, who swore under oath that Hillary had no role in the handling of the note, had lied. A memo was discovered, written by White House lawyer Miriam Nemetz, who quoted then-White House chief of staff Mack McLarty saying Mrs. Clinton "was very upset and believed the matter [meaning the note] required further thought and the president should not yet be told.” And with three nationally recognized, board certified independent handwriting experts announcing it was forgery … not even a good forgery, you'd think that would be news. But the New York Times and the Washington Post, the two newspapers which gave the most coverage to the discovery of the "suicide" note, ignored that. So did mainstream TV and most radio news programs, mainstream news magazines, and virtually every mainstream newspaper in the US. They were controlled media even then. They continued to write stories about the Foster case as though the suicide note was legit.
3) Fiske’s investigation was so sloppy and corrupt that they were forced to convene a second investigation by Ken Starr. Starr’s investigation was so sloppy and corrupt that his own lead investigator on the case, Michael Rodriquez, quit, publicly calling the investigation a sham. His resignation letter said evidence was being overlooked in a rush to judgment. He wrote a 31 page memo to file detailing reasons why Starr’s investigation was phony. Starr just ignored it. The mainstream media ignored it. The mainstream media also ignored every effort Rodriguez made to be interviewed. One of the reasons Rodriguez gave was that he personally saw photos of wounds that did not match the official description. He said there was a wound in Foster’s neck that the official version totally ruled out. Those photos have never been publicly released and the government has resisted every effort to get them released. Trump should now see to it that they're released. There is no legitimate reason not to do so.
4) Related to the above, there was a FBI memo written to the Director of the FBI by agents at the scene two days after Foster’s death which stated the shot was fired into Foster's mouth WITHOUT leaving an exit wound. This is completely contrary to the official claim that there was a gaping 1” by 1-1/2” hole in the back of Foster’s head. Starr failed to tell the three judge panel monitoring his activities, as well as the public, about this memo. And not one of the DOZENS of eyewitnesses at Marcy Park or the morgue (including a doctor, the EMTs, and Park Police) corroborated the official claim. In fact, they either said they saw no exit wound at all or that they saw a wound in Foster’s neck. Only the doctor who did the “official” autopsy, Dr Beyer, reported this gaping hole. Starr reported this doctor’s findings and ignored the other 25 witnesses. That’s a bit suspicious, especially when Dr Beyer was caught outright lying about the X-ray machine being broken (which is the excuse given for why there were no x-rays taken of Foster’s head).
5) Rodriguez’s memo also noted that witness statements were not accurately represented in FBI reports. For example, there is clear evidence that either the FBI or Fiske tampered with Lisa Foster’s statement to the FBI the night of Foster’s death. Fiske and Starr claimed in their reports, based on a typed FBI form, that Lisa said her husband was "fighting depression". But the handwritten FBI notes from that night clearly show she told the investigators he was "fighting prescription", a reference to the sleeping pills dispensed for insomnia by Foster’s doctor. But “fighting depression" was all Fiske and Starr ever mentioned. Either the FBI lied to them or, more likely, they lied.
By the way, I'd love to tell you the story of Ron Brown's death because I think that one is just as incriminating as the Foster case. Start a thread on it and I'll add some juicy details. Or I could post it on this thread since it two is a case with no Statute Of Limitation ... and perhaps some hard evidence that a murder was committed. Your call.
Don't go there. Not yet. I can't count the number of times people brought up Clinton Death List in conversations and ultimately it discredited the efforts to bring the Clintons to justice. Because it made the public view those of us who thought the Clintons were behind the deaths of Foster and Brown look like nuts ... by association. We have always needed to focus on what can be proven and there are really only two cases where that's possible, at least right now. That's Foster and Brown.
Foster's death can be proven to be a murder and coverup if the photos of his injuries are made public and it turns out that he had a bullet wound in his neck. That's what Stars top investigator in the case said they showed. That's what every eye witness at the Fort Marcy Park who said they saw a exit wound said ... it was in the neck. The rest said they saw no exit wound. No-one other than the coroner, Fiske, Starr, etc ever said there was an exit wound elsewhere. If the photos that they've hidden from the public show an exit wound in the neck, or even no exit wound, then with absolute certainty we know the coroner lied and then everyone who saw those photos and hid them from the public is at a minimum guilty of a coverup. And that string can be pulled to bring the whole house of cards down and identify the murderers.
Likewise, Brown's murder can be proved by simply exhuming the body and having forensic scientists that can be trusted determine if he was shot, which with modern technology should be simple given what the pathologists who looked at the exit wound and x-rays said. There will be bullet fragments in the skull ... and other evidence of a gunshot ... even now. And that alone will prove Brown was murdered. And then that string can be pulled to bring down everyone who was involved in the coverup ... and that will lead to the murderers. So focus on that ... on getting Trump to release Foster's photos and exhume Brown. The rest is just a distraction at this point.
Now once either one of those cases is proven a murder, then is the time to go back and look at every case where someone who stood in the way of the Clintons died in mysterious circumstances. Then no coverup would be possible. Then the whole world would be watching.
That same day, July 26, the August 2 issue of Newsweek is released. … snip … [Staff writers] FIneman and Cohen add: “[O]n Sunday night, the president himself called [Foster] and tried to buck up his friend with 20 minutes of chatter. … snip …. Finally, one week after Foster’s death at Fort Marcy Park, things seem to be getting back to normal at the White House.
The cracks in the White House’s cool facade begin to appear when ABC White House correspondent Brit Hume asks, “Could you comment on the Newsweek report that President Clinton spoke to Vince Foster on Sunday? A, is it true? B, do you know what he said to him, [and] why the president didn’t mention it when he was asked about it?”
“I think it’s something that we’ve said before,” Myers replies.
“No,” Hume fires back. “Trust me.”
“No? [The president] did speak to him on Sunday. He called him, as he often did. Vince Foster was somebody the president spoke to frequently.”
“Did he call him to ‘buck him up,’ as Newsweek suggested?”
“He called to talk to him, I thin — [about] a number of things. I think that he knew, as a number of people did, that Vince was having a rough time.”
“Wait a minute,” Hume interrupts. “That’s the first time you’ve said that from this platform.”
Defensively, Myers answers, “No, it’s not. I think what we have said in the past was that people have their ups and downs and that —“
“Your tone has completely changed.”
“Okay,” Myers relents, “I apologize. I’m sorry. It is not. Okay. Let me just try to say what I think. What I said certainly on Thursday [was that] there was absolutely no reason to believe that Vince was despondent, that he was in any way considering doing what happened. Nobody believed that. At the same time, I think that the Counsel Office had its trials and tribulations….”
The correspondents continue to insist that during the July 22 press briefing, as well as in all other authorized statements from the White House, no one had even suggested that Foster was suffering from depression. … snip …
Later in the press briefing, after a reporter tries to change the subject, another journalist asks, “Can I go back to Foster, please?… The way that you, the president, and McLarty spoke last Wednesday about this was it was an unexplained mystery. There was no reason to go beyond the evidence that it was a suicide. And there seemed to be, given the characterization you’re providing today, that he was obviously troubled. You were widely aware that he was having difficulty. There seem to be a sense at the time that the President didn’t say, “I was trying to help my friend, and it failed.’ Instead of that, he said, ‘I accept this as an unexplained mystery, and there’s no need to go into it.’ Why did he portray it that way when, obviously, he was trying — and his friends were trying — to bring this fellow some hope?”
“That is way too dramatic a reading,” Myers insists. “There was no reason to believe that it was anything other than the kinds of ups and downs that people have gone through in this White House….”
“But why [do] you believe otherwise? Today, some of your answers indicate that you all have basically come to a conclusion that the job got him down and could have led to it.”
“I don’t mean… to suggest that I have any answers to it.”
“But,” the reporter continues, “this is the overriding theme: That he was depressed and despondent.”
“No,” Myers replies, beginning to stumble badly. “That he was suffering. I don’t even want to say ‘suffering.’ You guy are reading too much into it.
Finally, a reporter comes to Myers’ rescue and tries to sum up what she is attempting but failing to articulate, asking, “Would it be fair to say that everyone who knew him here thought he was discouraged, but no one thought he was suicidal?”
“Absolutely,” Myers concludes with considerable relief.
Soon after Myers’ briefing, the White House correct the report in Newsweek, saying that the president had not talked to Foster for twenty minutes on Sunday night — but, rather, on Monday, July 19, the night before Foster died. The White House adds that the president had called Foster, because he knew that Foster was “having a rough time” with his job. The president had called Foster at home, asking if he wanted to see a movie … snip … at the White House, along with Webster Hubbell and Bruce Lindsey. As Newsweek has accurately reported, Foster declined the invitation.
But why is the White House now suddenly conceding that Foster was depressed? Unknown to just about everyone at this time, including the Park Police and the Department of Justice, a torn-up note had been found among his possessions.
"I think he was going back and forth to Switzerland before the Clintons even came into office."
Perhaps. Before becoming President, the Clintons were involved in Mena and they might have had cash they needed squirreled away in a Swiss bank, no questions asked.
"I have always been puzzled by Mrs. Foster and how she so quickly claimed her husband was clearly suicidal."
Just to be clear, she didn’t initially say that. Just the opposite. The night of Foster's death, Park Police and FBI agents spent 70 minutes interviewing family members (including Lisa and Sheila). Here are some quotes from the Senate depositions of the police and agents, and their testimony about the interviews, including statements taken from Lisa and Sheila Foster:
"One of the last things I got from Mrs. Foster - I asked her was he - did you see this coming, was (sic) there any signs of this. . . .everyone said no, no, no, no, he was fine. This is out of the blue. . . (Foster's sister, Sheila Anthony) was talking with us. . . I spoke with her, (the other Park Police Investigator present in Foster home) spoke with her. She was very cordial. I remember asking her, did you see any of this coming, and she stated, no. Nobody would say anything about depression or that they noticed some signs, they were worried." "(We) asked, was there anything, did you see this forthcoming (sic), was there anything different about him, has he been depressed, and all the answers were no."
Note that Sheila also didn't tell the investigators a claim she would later make ... that she gave Vince the names of 3 psychiatrists. No, she only voiced that claim after the mysterious Whitehouse meeting, which she attended a week after Foster's death. And Starr also never mentioned that Sheila transferred $286,000 to Lisa Foster four days before Vince's death. What was that about? What were Lisa and Vince involved in? A good, non-corrupt special prosecutor would have looked into that. Neither Fiske or Starr did.
During the interview the night of Foster's death, Lisa Foster was asked by the Park Police if her husband had been taking ANY medication, specifically any anti-depressant medication, and she categorically answered "NO". Years later, a Senate staff attorney asked the investigator this:
“Q: Did anyone at the notification (the death notification) and initial interviews at the Foster home, 9:00 - 10:10 PM EDT on July 20 mention depression or anti depressant medication that Foster might have been taking?
A: I mentioned depression, did you see this coming, were there any signs, has he been taking any medication? No. All negative answers.”
The FBI agent who took Lisa Foster's statement the night of Vince's death wrote in his notes that "FOSTER complained to LISA FOSTER that he was suffering from insomnia." And she said Vince was “fighting a prescription”, not “fighting depression” as Starr would later claim the FBI said in his report.
The Final Senate Whitewater Investigation report states “Sergeant Braun testified that, from the investigation of the death scene and the interviews with the Foster family, the Park Police ``did not get any information that would confirm that Mr. Foster was depressed or had even discussed the possibility of committing suicide with any of his friends or relatives.''
The FBI interview of Foster’s family doctor, Larry Watkins, stated “[Watkins recalled that] Foster sounded a little tired . . . Watkins prescribed desyrel, 50 milligram tablets. . . . Watkins knew that it took 10 days to two weeks to take effect [as an antidepressant] but helps with insomnia, sometimes the very first day. . . . He felt it was important for Foster to start sleeping better and thought if he got some rest he would feel a lot better. He did not think that Foster was significantly depressed nor had Foster given the impression that he was 'in crisis.' From what Foster told him, Foster's condition sounded mild and situational. . . . Foster was not one to come to Watkins with stress-related problems. . . . Lisa [Foster's widow] told him that they had gone away and had a nice weekend on July 17-18. . . . He had the distinct impression . . . that Lisa was taken completely by surprise by this."
Beryl Anthony Foster, husband of Sheila Foster, was a former Democrat Congressman from Arkansas and a former President of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. In an interview on July 22, two days after Foster died, when asked if Foster had been depressed during the two weeks prior to death, Beryl is quoted saying: "There is not a damn thing to it. That's a bunch of crap."
In an interview with Federal agents in 1994, Web Hubbell recalled vacationing with Foster on the last weekend of his life. The agents wrote: “Hubbell said that he was not aware that Foster was experiencing any type of stress." "Hubbell answered no to all questions concerning any noticeable changes in Foster's appearance, physical ailments, headaches, loss of appetite or any kind of stomach trouble.'' And Hubbell was a very good friend of Vince Foster. You’d think his statement would carry some weight, but no, Starr, and Starr’s pet psychiatrist, Berman, completely ignored it.
And many other people in Foster's circle of friends and associates were interviewed or made statements in the following days regarding Foster’s mental state. For example, Patty Thomasson (another Clinton lackey … one who illegally entered Foster’s office the night of his death) stated that “I was in disbelief. I could not believe that my friend and colleague had killed himself.” She described his state of mind to the Senate committee thus: “I was so crushed that my friend killed himself, someone I worked with on a day-to-day basis. I felt somehow that I had failed. To not recognize in someone you work with every day that they were depressed and that stressed out was somehow a failure on the part of those who worked with him every day.”
Captain Hume of the Park Service interviewed Betsy Pond (White House Counsel Nussbaum's secretary), one of the last to see Foster alive. According to Hume’s notes she had a conversation with him around lunch time. He said he’d eat at his desk and ordered a cheeseburger, french fries, and a Coke … in other words he had a healthy appetite, not one indicative of depression. At 1300 hours, he came out of the office and told her, “I’ll be back. There are M&Ms left in my office.” Hume wrote “There was nothing unusual about his emotional state. In fact, over the last several week, she did not notice any changes, either physically or emotionally. She noticed no weight loss. She was unaware of him taking any medication or seeing any doctors…. She was not aware of any depression problems.” He also notes that Nussbaum appeared to try to intentionally disrupt the interview.
David Watkins (Assistant to the President for Management and Administration, who saw Foster every day) was also interviewed by the Park Policemen Braun and Rolla. In their first interview the night that Foster died, Braun asked Watkins if he knows of anything that had been bothering Foster, something that could have triggered a suicide. Watkins said he’d seen no sign of depression but was troubled over the Travel Office investigations.
Like I said earlier, there were lots of witnesses who said he wasn't depressed. Only three witnesses finally said he was ... Lisa, Sheila and Sheila's husband ... and they initially said he was not. They changed their story immediately after a meeting in the Whitehouse with Clinton.
As for Bill Clinton, even he said he saw no signs of depression. Here’s a quote from an Associated Press article dated Aug 2, 1996: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19960802&id=cWszAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RiEGAAAAIBAJ&pg=5526,3868068&hl=en . “Three years after Vince Foster’s suicide, President Clinton says he still regrets missing signs of depression from his old friend and White House aide. … snip … Clinton said he had called Foster the night before. “That was Monday. I told him I was busy on Tuesday and asked to meet him on Wednesday. He said, ’Sure,’ and sounded very calm. I don’t know whether at that time he had already decided to kill himself.”
10) We also know there were a flurry of telephone conversations between the people in Foster’s office and Hillary Clinton that night and that Williams and Hillary lied when they initially denied those phone calls took place. A Congressional committee, however, found phone records proving that Hillary called Maggie Williams at 10:13 pm the night Foster died and that right after talking with Mrs. Clinton, Ms. Williams proceeded to the White House and Mr. Foster's Office. The committee also found that after searching Foster's office, Williams called Hillary back and they talked for 11 minutes. So Williams ended up having to admit that she had spoken with Hillary. She said she just forgot. Susan Thomases was another person that Hillary spoke to by phone repeatedly the night of Foster’s death and in the days to follow. A New York attorney, she served as personal counsel and informal advisor to Hillary at the time. Whatever was so urgent that she needed her staff to break into Foster’s office and safe that night to acquire, involved this woman. Of course, Thomases later told the Whitewater Committee, under oath, that her conversations with Hillary that night were of a “personal nature” and that she had not discussed the impending search of Foster’s office. Yeah. Right. The Committee concluded that she, along with Williams, Nussbaum and Hubbell, were “not candid” and that they’d “provided inaccurate and incomplete testimony to the committee in order to conceal Mrs. Clinton’s pivotal role in the decisions surrounding the handling of Mr Foster’s documents following his death.” She answered “I don’t recall” 184 times during those hearings. Yet Starr rejected the committee’s criminal referral against her for perjury. As I said, the fix was in and Ken Starr was part of it. By the way, Susan Thomas’s was also involved in the bogus suicide note. A White House log showed that she visited the White House for 6 hours, just one day after Nussbaum informed her that a “suicide note” had been found. That was not her usual day to visit. She told the Committee that she couldn’t remember what she did at the White House that day. She later admitted that she met in the White House residence with Hillary and Web Hubbell, but claimed they did not discuss the note. May they all rot in Hell for doing this to our country.
11) Starr outright lied about what Foster’s doctor said regarding Foster’s diagnosis and treatment. The lab work done as part of the autopsy found no trace of antidepressants and, specifically, the medication that Foster was taking for insomnia. No Trazodone or Valium derivatives. Only a retest … months later and conducted just before Fiske issued his suicide claiming report … found both Trazadone and Valium. Isn’t that a bit suspicious? Especially since we now know, thanks to the testimony of Dr. Frederic Whitehurst, who worked at the FBI labs during that time, that the FBI Labs were routinely tampering with evidence. Whitehurst, who ended up suing the FBI as a whistleblower, received a substantial cash settlement from the FBI suggesting that his allegations had merit. Where looking at a murder here, folks, that the Clintons and their people covered up. And perhaps committed.
12) Curiously, during Lisa Foster's FBI interview, her lawyer, James Hamilton, reminded everyone that photos of the suicide note were not to be allowed out, even in response to a Freedom of Information Act Request. Now how could he make such a demand? Where did his authority really come from? Well let me give you a clue. Hamilton was general counsel of the Clinton transition team and the author of a memo to Clinton counseling stonewalling in the Whitewater case. And Hamilton was the lawyer that helped keep the Foster death photos under lock and key ... the photos that might have told us conclusively whether Foster was murdered or not.
13) Both Starr (and Fiske) claimed Foster was losing weight as further evidence of depression. They claimed it was obvious to many. But Foster's medical records are actually consistent with Foster losing no weight between the time he took the job in Washington and died. They indicate that on December 31, 1992, at a physical the month before he went to Washington, he weighed 194 pounds. Foster's autopsy weight was 197 pounds. In short, Fiske and Starr lied to the public.
14) Regarding the Clinton's blind trust, which Foster was in charge of setting up, my understanding is that it was months late, then just three days after Foster's death, the trust declarations were suddenly delivered to the trustees … and and they did indeed have Vince Foster's "signature" on them. Or was it his signature?
15) Finally, there's the matter of how Foster got out of the WhiteHouse where his office was located without being observed or recorded leaving. Doesn't anyone else find that curious?
Get the picture folks? There’s just one suspicious peculiarity after another in this case. And the Trump DOJ should definitely investigate. Because there's no statute of limitation on murder, nor on covering up a murder I believe. And while they're at it, I also suggest they exhume Ron Brown’s body and look for evidence of a bullet injury to the brain. Multiple military and civilian pathologists looked at the x-rays and concluded that's what they saw. Because if there is such evidence, then it would be hard evidence that he didn’t die by accident in a plane crash. And just as with the Foster case, there are dozens of other facts that point to a murder and coverup. Find evidence of a bullet wound and dozens of democRATS, including the Clintons, might spend their final days in jail. And that would be a good end to their sorbid lives.
This is great, thanks so much! I knew about Foster’s frequent trips to Switzerland and the suspicion that he was doing some creative bookkeeping for the Clintons. However, a lot of the Vince Foster story has been sanitized off the internet. I found some mention of it, including dates, but it dated back to 1995. I think he was going back and forth to Switzerland before the Clintons even came into office.
It reminds me of Better Call Saul but with less likeable characters. Thanks for all the info, this will keep me busy for a while.
The biggest surprise for me in this body of research (I knew fragments of the story for years but not the whole picture) was Brett Kavanaugh. It took him 3 years to agree with Kenneth Starr. Was he just stalling? Was that due diligence? Or was he trying—as a young Washington hopeful—to win favor with Kenneth Starr and the Clintons? I remember how Kamala went after him in his hearings before he was named justice of the Supreme Court. Was that a Democrat hit job because Kavanaugh knew the truth about the Clintons?
Also, I have always been puzzled by Mrs. Foster and how she so quickly claimed her husband was clearly suicidal. However, if she was in on some of financial tricks the Clintons were doing, she had some incentives—the Clintons could try to pin the financial stuff on Mrs. Foster or they could cut her out of her share of the profits. Maybe she was just afraid that she could be next if she spoke out.
There was a wonderful book by a Secret Service agent who was on the Clinton detail (considered a punishment detail by the Secret Service). It’s called Crisis of Character and I read it years ago so my details may be a bit fuzzy. The author, Gary Aldrich, was sometimes a post-stander in the Oval Office under Clinton. He described a chilling scene that showed how masterful the Clintons were at threats. I forget the incident but this agent had witnessed something that Bill Clinton apparently felt had to be kept hushed up. Secret Service agents do this anyway, but I guess Bill was nervous. So Bill went up to this agent, very close, and gave him a creepy look and asked, “How’s your family?” This was 100% out of character for Clinton who normally never talked to the agents and certainly had no concern for their families. The agent said he perceived the message as a threat but it was delivered in a way that even if accurately described could be dismissed as not being threatening.
6) Then there’s the matter of the green oven mitt. None of the three previous investigations (the Park Police's, the FBI's or Fiske's) had mentioned one. Starr, however, claimed it was found in the glove compartment of Foster's car the next day at the impound lot. Starr claimed it explained why Foster's fingerprints were not found on the gun (never mind the glaring logic that Foster would still have had to carry the gun, sans mitt, into the park and use it). Here, from Starr's report, is a picture of the oven mitt in the glove compartment: https://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/FAVISH/2400b.jpg. Yet, the Park Police *officially* inventoried the glove compartment and listed no oven mitt. In fact, the Park Police officer who searched the car testified under oath that there was "nothing out of the ordinary" in the glove compartment. And here's the kicker. A picture (https://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/FAVISH/2112mid4.jpg) from Starr’s report, taken while the car was still at Fort Marcy Park the night Foster died, shows debris on the floor of the front passenger seat. But the Park Police records say that Detective Braun emptied the glove box of all items before detective Smith removed and catalogued the debris. In fact, the records show Braun emptied the glove box prior to leaving the Park Police impound lot at 6:35 AM on July 21st. Detective Smith’s paperwork shows him cleaning off the passenger side floor after noon on the July 21st. That means the photograph in Starr's report with an open glove compartment containing a big green oven mitt above a clean passenger side floor is in direct contradiction to the Park Police record. If you ask me, the only logical conclusion is that Starr's photo of the oven mitt was STAGED and taken after the fact. This alone is 100% proof of murder coverup in this case.
7) Starr showed no interest in Foster's multiple one day trips to Switzerland. Just weeks before he died, Foster purchased another one-day round trip ticket. They obviously were business and it's widely known that Switzerland is where people hide money. So was he hiding money for himself or someone else? And why did he cancel the last trip just before his death? Starr and Fiske showed absolutely no interest in investigating these trips which is odd. Certainly, Foster would have known a lot about the Clintons, given that he was their personal attorney and a business partner in various ventures. If the Clintons were involved in something nefarious, he would have known. And if Foster was growing unstable, unable to handle the pressure of his job, as even the official story wants us to suggest, he'd have posed a risk to the Clintons. That’s motive for murder.
8) Which brings me to the highly suspicious activities of the Clinton staff the night Foster died. That night, Bernard Nussbaum, Hillary's Chief of Staff Maggie Williams, and her aide Patsy Thomasson entered Foster's office, which the Park Service had requested be considered a crime scene. They opened a safe in the office (which the White House at first claimed didn't exist). We know that Foster's secretary, Deborah Gorham, testified that two unmailed letters from Foster to Janet Reno and Kennedy, which were in the safe before his death, disappeared. We know a Secret Service agent, Officer O'Neill, testified under oath that he saw Williams removing stacks of files from Foster's office. Williams initially denied that but Tom Castleton, a junior aide who helped Miss Williams remove the files, said in his deposition that he had been told by Miss Williams that the folders were being sent to the residence so that the President or First Lady could review them. Among the documents were Whitewater billing records that were under a subpoena at the time. They turned up in the Whitehouse residence just after the statute of limitation of the crimes to which they pertained had elapsed. Only later did Maggie Williams admit to Whitewater investigators that the first lady ordered her to take sensitive documents from Vince Fosters office and store them in the White House residence. For her part in this coverup, Maggie Williams was amply rewarded. She remained at Hillary’s side, even acting as campaign manager in 2008. She joined Hillary’s State Department in 2011 and got “special status” at the State Department allowing her to work on women’s issues while maintaining her own business.
9) And Williams wasn’t the only one who apparently removed documents from Foster’s office. Secret Service memos indicated Craig Livingstone was one of the first to be notified about Foster's death. Now we know who hired Craig Livingstone. A Clinton administration staffer testified under oath that Hillary hired him. She denied even knowing him but we know that's a lie because a Judicial Watch FOIA request years later uncovered pictures of Hillary and Craig together on multiple occasions ... walking side by side and looking at each other, laughing, as if sharing some funny joke. And year's later Craig himself stated publicly that Hillary not only knew him but hired him. Now Livingston claimed he was told about Foster’s death around 9 pm, then went to the morgue to identify the body, then went to Foster's home where he (and Kennedy) stayed until 2 am. Livingstone said he went home, got some sleep, then arrived back at the Foster home at 6:30 am. But he didn't go in. He strangely stayed in his car until 8 am, then he drove to the Whitehouse and logged in (at 8:14 am). He admitted to visiting the White House Counsel's suite several times that morning but claimed he didn't go in Foster's office or remove any documents. But a Secret Service agent (Bruce Abbot) said he observed Livingstone exiting the West Wing carrying a “leather or vinyl-type briefcase, opening from the top, much in the fashion of a litigator’s bag or lawyer’s briefcase.” He returned, then later, accompanied by an individual not known to agent, and left the building again. The agent told Senate investigators “I observed that [unknown] individual carrying one or perhaps two boxes with what appeared to be, looked to me to be loose-leaf binders.” So just what was Livingstone moving around? We never did find out. But we do know that he’s the guy who visited Foster’s body in the morgue the night of his death and happened to find Foster’s missing car keys in pant’s pockets already checked by FBI and Park Police. When Livingstone was questioned by Fiske's people, he gave statements that contradicted the account being given by the White House. A law enforcement source at the interrogation was quoted saying "it was clear to everyone in the room, including (Livingstone's) attorney, that he was not telling the truth." Yet when Livingstone asked to stop the questioning, Fiske's people let him leave. Then during a second interview, he showed up with new legal representation and a story more in line with White House claims about what happened. At the second meeting, Livingstone's new attorney told investigators that Livingstone had been confused about the times, but had written a memo-to-file detailing the chronology of his activities ... and then told them the memo had disappeared. When investigators asked for a set of all Livingstone's memos to file, they were told he hadn't written any before or since. And despite all that, Fiske accepted Livingstone's memo story at face value. If you ask me, it's clear that Fiske was part of a coverup. They were ALL doing everything they could to protect Hillary and Bill. And may they all rot in Hell for it.
I don't understand about the oven mitt. I saw it as a controversial bit of evidence omitted or covered up from the official reports, but why would Vince Foster carry around an oven mitt in his car?
“why would Vince Foster carry around an oven mitt in his car?”
I can’t think of one reason and Starr didn’t offer one. He simply claimed that the oven mitt is how the gun got to the park and had no finger prints on it (never mind that the oven mitt was *found* in the glove compartment and therefore Foster would still have had to put his bare hands on the gun at some point in order to get it out of the over mitt, put it in his coat pocket, get it out of the pocket and use it on himself.
The oven mitt was also introduced by Starr to tie the gun back to Foster, since serious questions about whether the gun was Foster’s had arisen in the previous investigations. Starr claimed that Doctor Lee Berman found particles of lead and sunflower seeds in Foster’s front pocket and in the inside of the “oven mitt recovered from Mr Foster’s car.” He said this evidence “tends to link” both the oven mitt and gun to Foster and “thus refute the theory that the manner of death was not suicide”.
But let me point out, regarding Berman’s *evidence*, that he’s the same *expert* Starr used to support the claim that Foster was clinically depressed, even though none of the MANY witnesses said Vince was depressed, even though Vince’s own doctor said he was NOT clinically depressed, and even though the doctor said the medicine he was taking was for insomnia, not depression as claimed in Lisa's FBI witness statement that that Starr altered for the Starr Report.
And as I noted, it was after Clinton met with Lisa, her sister, and her sister’s husband in the White House a week or so after Vince’s death that all three suddenly changed their previous statements about depression 180 degrees and claimed Vince was clinically depressed. They were the only three witnesses whose statements Starr quoted in his report. What I’m saying is that I think Berman clearly lied about what he found in Foster’s pocket and the mitt simply to support Starr coverup because he helped Starr fabricate the depression claim.
Now proving the gun was Foster’s was important because this black revolver ( https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/GUN/favgun.jpg ) reportedly found in Foster's hand was not one of the two handguns that Vince kept in his Georgetown house. On May 9, NINE MONTHS after Foster’s death and long after Lisa met with Bill Clinton in the WhiteHouse, the FBI (during their investigation of Foster’s death) succeeded in getting Lisa Foster to identify that black gun as *possibly* the silver gun (she used the word silver three times in describing her gun in the FBI’s FD-302a report) that she had brought to Washington. And lest you think that lighting in that photo might allow for the revolver to have been silver, the Park Police reported that the gun in Foster’s hand was BLACK (https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/GUN/Gun_lab_rep.jpg). But black … silver … what difference does it make, right Hillary?
Now as to the oven mitt being omitted or covered up in the “official” reports, long before those reports were written, the Park Police did an inventory of the contents of the glove compartment and the car. The inventory was so thorough that they even recorded what specific coin change was found in the car. The Park Police officer who searched the car testified under oath there was "nothing out of the ordinary" in the glove compartment. A large green oven mitt is far from ordinary. And there was absolutely no mention of an oven mitt by the Park Police, FBI or Fiske (who all investigated the matter at one time or another). It was ONLY mentioned in Kenneth Starr’s report and that’s where the first picture to show it appeared.
As for the ignificance of the oven mitt … as I pointed out above, the Starr Report shows a picture that the Park Police took of the passenger side of the car when it was still at Fort Marcy Park, the night of Foster’s death. This one: https://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/FAVISH/2112mid4.jpg. That picture shows there was material on the floor of the front passenger seat. Now according to Park Police records, Detective Braun emptied the glove box of all items at 6:35 AM on July 21st, prior to Detective Smith removing the debris from the passenger seat floor after 12 "noon" on July 21st. But here from the Starr Report is a picture of the big green oven mitt inside the glove compartment: https://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/FAVISH/2400b.jpg. Notice that there is no debris on the floor of the passenger side seat, which flatly contradict the Park Police records. This is more proof that Starr fabricated evidence to fit his *suicide* conclusion. Vince Foster was murdered.
By the way, as to why the oven mitt wasn’t on the official contents list produced by the Park Police, Starr claimed that White House counsel William Kennedy (who was also demonstrably corrupt) kept the oven mitt six or more months before handing it over to Fiske’s FBI agents. Never mind that there is absolutely no written record of Kennedy ever having given any items to FBI investigators form Fiske's office. Or of him being in contact with the car before the inventory was done the next day. And Starr wanted us to believe that the Park Police were so sloppy that they were letting Clinton’s staff walk off with evidence like that in a possible murder case.
In fact, the record directly contradicts the after the fact claim by Starr and Kennedy. The FBI report of it’s May 1994 interview with William Kennedy indicates that Mr Kennedy did not pick up the car from the Police for at least 6 weeks. The FBI’s report also states that Craig Livingston took control of the car after Kennedy picked it up and parked it on the street for 2 weeks. Then when the car was disposed of, according to the FBI, “Kennedy retrieved … [mostly] junk such as M&Ms, plastic cups... [and] threw most of these items away but still has some items in his possession." Thus, Kennedy had no opportunity to grab a oven mitt before the inventory by the Park Police the day after Foster’s death. So Starr's explanation is obviously bogus in this regard too. Everything surrounding the oven mitt is one big fabrication and proof that Starr was working for the Clintons the whole time.
Look at some of the other ways that Starr conveniently helped the Clintons over the years.
In the Foster case, an FBI memo to the Director of the FBI, written two days after Foster’s death by FBI agents at the scene, stated that the shot was fired into Foster's mouth without leaving an exit wound. This is completely contrary to the official claim that there was a gaping hole in the back of Foster’s head. Yet Starr failed to tell the three judge panel monitoring his activities, as well as the public, about this memo.
In the Foster case, Starr and his people harassed Patrick Knowlton in the manner described by Knowlton in an addendum that the panel of judges ordered Starr to attach to his report. Starr then ignore the judge's order and did not attach the addendum to his report when he issued it to the public ... thus keeping the public in the dark about both the addendum and his harassment.
Starr failed to ask Linda Tripp, one of the key Filegate witnesses, rather obvious and critical questions. Tripp expressed her surprise at how little he delved into the matter. And despite having sworn statements that Hillary was behind Filegate, Starr questioned Hillary for less than 10 minutes. That’s when she denied knowing Livingstone, which was a transparent lie.
Note that Starr announced to the public shortly after the existence of the FBI files was confirmed, that the files had all been returned to the FBI. But years later, during a live TV interview with Sam Donaldson and George Will, special prosecutor Robert Ray, Ken Starr's successor, admitted that the FBI files were still in the Clinton Whitehouse hands. In other words, Starr deliberately lied to the American Public and allowed the Clinton Whitehouse to retain the blackmail material they'd acquired in FileGate.
Tripp also told Starr that she had evidence directly linking the White House to Travelgate, Filegate and Chinagate. These were actually the bigger stories, but Starr ignored those and instead just pursued the sex-related allegations. I think that’s because he and Clinton knew those could be spun and were not serious. In fact, the blue dress was revealed by Starr just about the time that the media was starting to show an interest in the circumstances surrounding the death of Ron Brown. After the blue dress was outed, all interest in Brown’s death faded away.
And then there's the fact that Starr showed absolutely no interest at all in the death of Ron Brown, perhaps the biggest scandal of them all since it involved the death of a Secretary of Commerce and everyone on board a plane. Surely someone out to "get Clinton", as the Clintons claimed, would have investigated Brown's death … because that scandal had real meat on the bone. Plus, Brown's death was connected to Chinagate and there was a mountain of evidence pointing to Clinton’s personal involvement in a scheme to steal the election of 1996 with illegal money from Communist China. But Starr showed no interest. Do you know that Nolanda Hill, a close friend and business associate of Ron Brown, testified that “[W]hen Starr was appointed, they were opening champagne bottles in the White House, they were celebrating.” You can see why.
And regarding the allegations of rape by Juanita Broaddrick against Clinton, Starr again showed no interest, not even meeting her. even though (his words), "The investigators found her entirely credible." And yet here's what Starr said about Bill Clinton years later. "His genuine empathy for human beings is absolutely clear." "President Clinton was and perhaps still is the most gifted politician of the baby boomer generation. He just has remarkable gifts." "President [Jimmy] Carter set a very high standard, which President Clinton clearly continues to follow." Those aren't the words of someone who actually tried to get Clinton. Just saying ...
Bill Clinton won the election in 1992 and entered office on January 20, 1993. His resume was pretty meager: he was a governor of a flyover state. Arkansas at that time had a poverty rate of about 14%, close to the national average, so Clinton was no political superhero. He had a Southern accent and charisma which was offset by his rather unpleasant wife, who was a lawyer at some Little Rock law firm. She was 46 when she got to the White House and she had already been a Goldwater Girl, changed parties, and gotten in trouble a few times.
The Clintons were not Beltway insiders. It almost seems like they arrived at the White House like the Clampetts arriving in Beverly Hills. I am puzzled how they got such Deep State protection so fast.
The Clintons put a lot of their cronies in high offices--which is not out of the ordinary. But how were these guys able to protect the Clintons so well so fast? By July of 1993--just six months into the first term--there are at least 3 major Clinton scandals I can think of just off the top of my head (Nannygate, Travelgate, Whitewater) and I'm not sure where the beef futures scandal comes in. Plus there is a suspicious death of Vince Foster (Brown would die a few years later).
How were they so tightly protected? How did they manage to orchestrate a hit on a public official and then pull the strings to bury that and many other scandals?
Obama came into office as a political nobody but I think he was selected for the office. Was Clinton selected, too? Or do you think his criminal network goes back to the Mena Airport days and he just imported those intelligence ties to guard his presidency?
I don't think we've ever had a Presidential duo as absolutely and relentlessly criminal as the Clintons and it puzzles me that he was just a yokel from Arkansas and she was an annoying lady lawyer from Chicago. Why did the Deep State anoint them?
"The Clintons were not Beltway insiders. … snip … I am puzzled how they got such Deep State protection so fast."
Perhaps because they were groomed by Fabian Socialists. As for Hillary, look no further than her mentor, friend and backer, George Soros, who attended the London School of Economics. And the person who helped Bill Clinton get his Rhodes scholarship at Oxford was leftist Historian Carroll Quigley, who got his education at Fabian controlled Harvard University in the 30s when Fabian Socialists were busy making FDR president and making sure their agenda was his.
After college, Quigley taught at Princeton, Harvard and Georgetown University, helping create the next generation of Fabian Socialists ... one of them Bill Clinton. In 1966, about 10 years before his death, Quigley published his Opus Magnum, a book titled Tragedy and Hope. In the book, he made light of what he referred to as the "wild-eyed and bushy-haired theoreticians of Socialist Harvard and the London School of Economics,” who were “determined to bring the United States into World War II on the side of England (Roosevelt’s first love) and Soviet Russia (his second love) in order to destroy every finer element of American life and, as part of this consciously planned scheme, invited Japan to attack Pearl Harbor, and destroyed Chiang Kai-shek, all the while undermining America’s real strength by excessive spending and unbalanced budgets. In other words, without mentioning the word Fabian Socialist (probably because he didn’t want folks to look them up by name), he made fun of the notion that they’d infiltrated our government. He said that was a fairy tale from the “radical right”. But as you can see from what I’ve already pointed out about their infiltration of Teddy’s, Wilson’s and FDR’s presidencies, it was no fairy tale. Which makes me suspicious Quigley was a Fabian.
But while he was careful to never mentioned Fabian Socialism, he did write a lot about the Round Table, which he said played a significant role in recent world history. He wrote “There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the Radical right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other group, and frequently does so. I know of the operation of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records.” What better way to divert attention from Fabians than to offer another conspiracy. Of course, he then made light of Round Table’s activities, as well, saying “I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments.”
But he still appeared to have possibly gotten in trouble with them. You see, despite the book’s scope, his credentials, and it being sold by a major publisher, it attracted very few reviews, and they were mostly critical. As a result the book bombed. Perhaps that’s because the powers that be made sure it did. Indeed, when he was interviewed before his death, Quigley warned the interviewer (Robert Eringer) that writing about him and his book could get Eringer in trouble. Could it be that Quigley had exposed too many details about how much influence the Milner Group’s Round Table had in the 20th century? And since the Milner group and the Fabians often worked together towards common goals, perhaps both decided to silence him. Remember, Fabian Socialists still valued stealth and anonymity.
In any case, by not mentioning Fabian Socialism and the impact it had on various Presidents and their agenda, I view the book as a whitewash of the 1880s to 1960, which makes me think it was a deliberate deception to try and make people ignore Fabian Socialists and what they had done and were still busy doing in America. And Quigley is the guy who guided and mentored the beginnings of Bill Clinton’s career.
He obviously had a profound affect on Bill Clinton since Bill mentioned him in his first inaugural speech as governor of Arkansas, when he launched his presidential bid, and when he accepted the presidential nomination at the Democratic National Convention in 1992. And while at Oxford, no doubt Clinton was likely indoctrinated in Fabian thinking. That’s when Clinton learned Fabian Speak … calling higher taxes “contributions,” calling government spending “investment,” and calling private property owners “special interests”.
"Was Clinton selected, too? Or do you think his criminal network goes back to the Mena Airport days and he just imported those intelligence ties to guard his presidency?"
Both. Do you know Bill Clinton first attended a Fabian affiliated Bilderberger meeting In 1991, just before he was elected president. Clinton was the governor of tiny Arkansas at the time. Why would he be invited to such a prestigious and secretive meeting of world leaders? Because he was selected. But by who?
I used the word affiliated above because Joseph Retinger, one of the Bilderberger’s founders, studied at LSE and then collaborated with the Fabian Society to found the “European Movement” that led to the EU. So I imagine Fabians chose Clinton to bring the US even further into their clutches. And why would Clinton offer such promise to them? Because Clinton was a mobster.
As I’ve told you previously, Bill Clinton grew up in a hot spot of mob activities in the US with a mother who was involved with mobsters. When he returned to Arkansas in 1974, after his schooling was complete, he immediately ran for Congress. Clinton biographer Roger Morris wrote: "A relative unknown, he faces an imposing field of rivals in the Democratic primary, and beyond, in the general election, a powerful Republican incumbent. Yet as soon as he enters the race, Mr. Clinton enjoys a decisive seven-to-one advantage in campaign funds over the nearest Democratic competitor, and will spend twice as much as his well-supported GOP opponent.” In other words, it looks like mob money financed his campaign.
And once he was Governor and even President, the Clintons made money like mobsters do. That’s what Whitewater was all about. That’s what Hillary’s cattle futures was all about. That’s what Vince Foster one day trips to Switzerland were all about. And they rewarded those who helped them like mobsters do. That’s why he appointed Jim McDougal to be an economic development advisor. That's why they threatened and punished those who hurt them like mobsters do. That’s why Vince had to die. That’s why Lisa Foster, her sister, her sister’s husband, and so many others, were and still are afraid of the Clintons.
And I think the greed and all the skeletons associated with that made the Clinton's vulnerable to blackmail by people even more powerful than him ... the Fabians who pull the strings behind the scenes. The Clintons' ability to get things done made them useful to them in terms of furthering the Fabian agenda. And they were blackmailable not only because of their mob activities but because of their personal flaws … especially Bill's use of drugs and his inability to control his sexual appetites. But of course, being as smart as they were, the Clintons in turn learned thing about their puppet masters that they could use to keep from being hurt by them.
And, of course, the Clintons brought people from both groups into the White House with them … people like Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin (who attended the London School of Economics) and Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott (who was Clinton’s roommate at Oxford). The Clinton Whitehouse was riddled with such people. It was also riddled with people who had mob connections, like Patsy Thomasson, Director of the Clinton White House Office of Administration (and who was involved in various scandals such as the coverup of Foster’s murder). She was a top lieutenant for convicted drug dealer Don Lasater, who was pardoned by Clinton. Like former State Trooper Buddy Young, Clinton’s Chief of Security, who was one of three who beat up Gary Johnson (nearly killed him) in June of 1992, after stealing his security camera video tapes of Bill entering Gennifer Flowers’ condominium (at a time when the Clintons were publicly denying the affair). Later, in payment, Buddy got a nice job at FEMA. The other two former troopers involved in the attack, Larry Patterson and Roger Perry, didn't and went public in 1993. That’s how we know about this. You see, the Clinton’s didn’t just have connections to the mob, they acted like mobsters themselves. They had mobsters on their staff, employing mobster tactics. They all testified under oath like mobsters. And their underlings all feared them. And over time, the all began to think like Fabians which just made it easier for the folks behind the curtain to control them. Just saying …
The Fabian Socialists are so enigmatic to me. They are demonstrably involved in everything rotten politically, and yet are all but unknown to the mainstream and even to political denizens. They're the true anonymous power brokers. What are Obama's ties to the Fabian Socialists? If ever a guy was handpicked, groomed, and selected to be elected it was Barry.
A fundamental difference between the Clintons and the Obamas has to be their relative independence. The Clintons did not seem to have a handler, at least not one that survived.
Bob Fosse could not have choreographed a career better than what the handlers did for Barack Obama. Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice, and many others were likely placed strategically in the Obama's orbit to help guide the Obamas (and possibly to do their wet work). Obama's meteoric rise to power with a speech at the DNC was all scripted and Obama seemed the ideal combination of smart and lazy to be putty in the hands of savvy flattering handlers.
Biden was used by the Democrats to be a placeholder for Obama's third term, but I think the Peter Principle applied. Obama was functional--at least somewhat--as long as he had handlers. But once Barck Obama became the handler, he botched it. He over-delegated, underperformed, and probably spent more time getting high than scheming and planning. Barack Obama rose to his level of incompetence, which is why I think Democrats are becoming increasingly dismissive of him.
I don't think Bill and Hillary ever intended to step behind the curtain and be remote rulers in the style of the Obamas. I think they enjoy the thrill of the crime too much.
Very informative, as usual. I knew that Arkansas was a mob hotspot back in the day, particularly Hot Springs, but I didn't connect those dots to Clinton. One thing I've always wondered about is the Bill and Hillary romance. Hillary was from Chicago, another mob hot spot, but I don't know that she had criminal ties in her undergraduate years. From my readings, it appears that Bill and Hillary met at school, specifically in the library of Yale University. The sappy official stories say Bill chased Hillary who kept refusing his proposals of marriage until one day she said yes--but she insisted on certain conditions: no engagement ring, no big ceremony, no party, and she could keep her surname. She did all but the last one.
So how did these two find each other? Was it like Bonnie and Clyde, where two psychopaths recognize each other? I am convinced they will stay married since spouses cannot be compelled to testify against each other. But how did they strike this weird balance of power? They strike me as a couple who don't much like each other but are utterly loyal to one another, almost like business partners who lead separate lives but back each other's business plays.
Hillary is reportedly a disagreeable person with anger issues and narcissistic demands. By all accounts, Bill seems more relaxed and smarter plus he's charismatic (which doesn't mean he isn't a psychopath). Even among ardent Democrats, they are a "love him, hate her" kind of couple.
I never thought that the Monica Lewinsky or "other women" scandals mattered one bit to Hillary. In the stratosphere of political power couples, I think the rules and expectations in marriage are different. I've even met some corporate big shots who have very traditional marriages (on the outside) but where the partners live completely separate lives (secret from the world but known to each other). In other words, adultery only matters if your partner thinks it matters.
Any insight into how these two colossal misfits got together? Arranged?
Thanks for all of the input! First, before we go further, I had one observation on Vince Foster. This is a very layered case, almost Shakespearean. On the one hand, it's a case of political intrigue. It's also a murder. But think of the relationships. Bill Clinton grew up with Vince Foster. As they both went out to conquer the world, both had success in different areas but their paths intersected. At times, Vince helped Bill (such as getting Hillary into the Rose Law Firm) and likely he helped with other matters (financial) as well. At times, Bill helped Vince, like bringing him into the White House. There was always scuttlebutt that Hillary and Vince were lovers, although I have no opinion on that matter (yet). So these are boyhood chums from smalltown America who hit the big time ... together...
And if I am looking at this correctly, the Clintons either directly or indirectly arrange for Foster's murder. Judging from what you're told us about Foster's mood and attitude around the time of his death, he wasn't expecting anything like this. He thought everything was fine--that's my impression. And then he's dead.
That kind of savage betrayal is almost breathtaking.
Do you see any indication that Foster was double-crossing the Clintons? It sure looks to me like Foster thought he was a Clinton loyalist.
An investigation into Foster’s death (and the death of Ron Brown) should be opened by the Trump DOJ because, as you’ve said, there’s no statute of limitation on murder and there is plenty to suggest both were murders that were, at a minimum, covered up by the Clintons and, at worst, instigated by the Clintons. Now it just so happens I can add a to your description of the suspicious circumstances surrounding Foster’s death and the aftermath.
1. Right after Foster’s death, dozens of people were interviewed, including Foster’s wife and other family members, close friends (like Web Hubble), staff at the White House, and even Bill Clinton. Every single one of them said Foster showed no signs of depression. Then a week after Foster’s death, thraee of those witnesses (VInce’s wife, Lisa, her sister, Sheila, and her sister’s husband) changed their stories 180 degrees. Where previously Lisa, for instance, told police there was no sign of depression and that Vince wasn’t taking an anti-depressant, she suddenly claimed the exact opposite. And this happened immediately after Lisa and Sheila met with Bill Clinton in the Whitehouse. Those three witnesses were used to prove that Foster was “clinically” depressed. The rest of the witnesses were completely forgotten, including Foster’s doctor who explicitly stated Foster was not “clinically” depressed. Neither Fiske or later Starr showed any interest in why these three witnesses suddenly changed their stories.
2) Regarding the briefcase and the so-called suicide note, Starr fail to mention in his report that there were witnesses (two paramedics and two motorists) who testified they saw a briefcase in Foster's car at Fort Marcy Park. A briefcase is certainly something that Starr should have been interested in … especially when Foster's briefcase showed up in his office at the Whitehouse later, supposedly containing the so-called suicide note. Curiously, the note was *discovered* almost simultaneous with the three key witnesses changing their story. Fiske and then later Starr said the note was proof Foster committed suicide but during the Starr investigation when three, nationally recognized handwriting experts came out to publicly challenge its authenticity, it suddenly disappeared from the official story. It was then discovered that the Park Police officer who had ruled it authentic did so based on less than reliable methods. In fact, he was later given portions of the note by Reed Irvine (of AIM), without knowing it, in a different form, and he himself judged it to be an obvious forgery. Starr not only stopped mentioning the note but showed no interest in how it managed to get into Foster’s briefcase. He showed no interest when it was proven that a number of Clinton staffers, who swore under oath that Hillary had no role in the handling of the note, had lied. A memo was discovered, written by White House lawyer Miriam Nemetz, who quoted then-White House chief of staff Mack McLarty saying Mrs. Clinton "was very upset and believed the matter [meaning the note] required further thought and the president should not yet be told.” And with three nationally recognized, board certified independent handwriting experts announcing it was forgery … not even a good forgery, you'd think that would be news. But the New York Times and the Washington Post, the two newspapers which gave the most coverage to the discovery of the "suicide" note, ignored that. So did mainstream TV and most radio news programs, mainstream news magazines, and virtually every mainstream newspaper in the US. They were controlled media even then. They continued to write stories about the Foster case as though the suicide note was legit.
3) Fiske’s investigation was so sloppy and corrupt that they were forced to convene a second investigation by Ken Starr. Starr’s investigation was so sloppy and corrupt that his own lead investigator on the case, Michael Rodriquez, quit, publicly calling the investigation a sham. His resignation letter said evidence was being overlooked in a rush to judgment. He wrote a 31 page memo to file detailing reasons why Starr’s investigation was phony. Starr just ignored it. The mainstream media ignored it. The mainstream media also ignored every effort Rodriguez made to be interviewed. One of the reasons Rodriguez gave was that he personally saw photos of wounds that did not match the official description. He said there was a wound in Foster’s neck that the official version totally ruled out. Those photos have never been publicly released and the government has resisted every effort to get them released. Trump should now see to it that they're released. There is no legitimate reason not to do so.
4) Related to the above, there was a FBI memo written to the Director of the FBI by agents at the scene two days after Foster’s death which stated the shot was fired into Foster's mouth WITHOUT leaving an exit wound. This is completely contrary to the official claim that there was a gaping 1” by 1-1/2” hole in the back of Foster’s head. Starr failed to tell the three judge panel monitoring his activities, as well as the public, about this memo. And not one of the DOZENS of eyewitnesses at Marcy Park or the morgue (including a doctor, the EMTs, and Park Police) corroborated the official claim. In fact, they either said they saw no exit wound at all or that they saw a wound in Foster’s neck. Only the doctor who did the “official” autopsy, Dr Beyer, reported this gaping hole. Starr reported this doctor’s findings and ignored the other 25 witnesses. That’s a bit suspicious, especially when Dr Beyer was caught outright lying about the X-ray machine being broken (which is the excuse given for why there were no x-rays taken of Foster’s head).
5) Rodriguez’s memo also noted that witness statements were not accurately represented in FBI reports. For example, there is clear evidence that either the FBI or Fiske tampered with Lisa Foster’s statement to the FBI the night of Foster’s death. Fiske and Starr claimed in their reports, based on a typed FBI form, that Lisa said her husband was "fighting depression". But the handwritten FBI notes from that night clearly show she told the investigators he was "fighting prescription", a reference to the sleeping pills dispensed for insomnia by Foster’s doctor. But “fighting depression" was all Fiske and Starr ever mentioned. Either the FBI lied to them or, more likely, they lied.
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By the way, I'd love to tell you the story of Ron Brown's death because I think that one is just as incriminating as the Foster case. Start a thread on it and I'll add some juicy details. Or I could post it on this thread since it two is a case with no Statute Of Limitation ... and perhaps some hard evidence that a murder was committed. Your call.
Yes, but give me a few days. I'm not very familiar with Ron Brown's death since it was a plane crash.
That brings me to another plane crash. What do you make of JK Jr.'s fatal plane ride? No doubt it benefited Hillary.
Don't go there. Not yet. I can't count the number of times people brought up Clinton Death List in conversations and ultimately it discredited the efforts to bring the Clintons to justice. Because it made the public view those of us who thought the Clintons were behind the deaths of Foster and Brown look like nuts ... by association. We have always needed to focus on what can be proven and there are really only two cases where that's possible, at least right now. That's Foster and Brown.
Foster's death can be proven to be a murder and coverup if the photos of his injuries are made public and it turns out that he had a bullet wound in his neck. That's what Stars top investigator in the case said they showed. That's what every eye witness at the Fort Marcy Park who said they saw a exit wound said ... it was in the neck. The rest said they saw no exit wound. No-one other than the coroner, Fiske, Starr, etc ever said there was an exit wound elsewhere. If the photos that they've hidden from the public show an exit wound in the neck, or even no exit wound, then with absolute certainty we know the coroner lied and then everyone who saw those photos and hid them from the public is at a minimum guilty of a coverup. And that string can be pulled to bring the whole house of cards down and identify the murderers.
Likewise, Brown's murder can be proved by simply exhuming the body and having forensic scientists that can be trusted determine if he was shot, which with modern technology should be simple given what the pathologists who looked at the exit wound and x-rays said. There will be bullet fragments in the skull ... and other evidence of a gunshot ... even now. And that alone will prove Brown was murdered. And then that string can be pulled to bring down everyone who was involved in the coverup ... and that will lead to the murderers. So focus on that ... on getting Trump to release Foster's photos and exhume Brown. The rest is just a distraction at this point.
Now once either one of those cases is proven a murder, then is the time to go back and look at every case where someone who stood in the way of the Clintons died in mysterious circumstances. Then no coverup would be possible. Then the whole world would be watching.
And this book contains another, more contemporaneous account of the conversation Clinton and Foster had, and Foster’s demeanor before he died: https://books.google.com/books?id=ZrEA8i7z_PYC&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq="president+clinton"+"vince+foster"+depression&source=bl&ots=UwYn9-Dx5m&sig=J7KL9spvnp0Qa_tez2yo07JCGUg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwixmoTzuPTMAhVW7mMKHZejBQg4ChDoAQg8MAc#v=onepage&q="president%20clinton"%20"vince%20foster"%20depression&f=false .
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That same day, July 26, the August 2 issue of Newsweek is released. … snip … [Staff writers] FIneman and Cohen add: “[O]n Sunday night, the president himself called [Foster] and tried to buck up his friend with 20 minutes of chatter. … snip …. Finally, one week after Foster’s death at Fort Marcy Park, things seem to be getting back to normal at the White House.
The cracks in the White House’s cool facade begin to appear when ABC White House correspondent Brit Hume asks, “Could you comment on the Newsweek report that President Clinton spoke to Vince Foster on Sunday? A, is it true? B, do you know what he said to him, [and] why the president didn’t mention it when he was asked about it?”
“I think it’s something that we’ve said before,” Myers replies.
“No,” Hume fires back. “Trust me.”
“No? [The president] did speak to him on Sunday. He called him, as he often did. Vince Foster was somebody the president spoke to frequently.”
“Did he call him to ‘buck him up,’ as Newsweek suggested?”
“He called to talk to him, I thin — [about] a number of things. I think that he knew, as a number of people did, that Vince was having a rough time.”
“Wait a minute,” Hume interrupts. “That’s the first time you’ve said that from this platform.”
Defensively, Myers answers, “No, it’s not. I think what we have said in the past was that people have their ups and downs and that —“
“Your tone has completely changed.”
“Okay,” Myers relents, “I apologize. I’m sorry. It is not. Okay. Let me just try to say what I think. What I said certainly on Thursday [was that] there was absolutely no reason to believe that Vince was despondent, that he was in any way considering doing what happened. Nobody believed that. At the same time, I think that the Counsel Office had its trials and tribulations….”
The correspondents continue to insist that during the July 22 press briefing, as well as in all other authorized statements from the White House, no one had even suggested that Foster was suffering from depression. … snip …
Later in the press briefing, after a reporter tries to change the subject, another journalist asks, “Can I go back to Foster, please?… The way that you, the president, and McLarty spoke last Wednesday about this was it was an unexplained mystery. There was no reason to go beyond the evidence that it was a suicide. And there seemed to be, given the characterization you’re providing today, that he was obviously troubled. You were widely aware that he was having difficulty. There seem to be a sense at the time that the President didn’t say, “I was trying to help my friend, and it failed.’ Instead of that, he said, ‘I accept this as an unexplained mystery, and there’s no need to go into it.’ Why did he portray it that way when, obviously, he was trying — and his friends were trying — to bring this fellow some hope?”
“That is way too dramatic a reading,” Myers insists. “There was no reason to believe that it was anything other than the kinds of ups and downs that people have gone through in this White House….”
“But why [do] you believe otherwise? Today, some of your answers indicate that you all have basically come to a conclusion that the job got him down and could have led to it.”
“I don’t mean… to suggest that I have any answers to it.”
“But,” the reporter continues, “this is the overriding theme: That he was depressed and despondent.”
“No,” Myers replies, beginning to stumble badly. “That he was suffering. I don’t even want to say ‘suffering.’ You guy are reading too much into it.
Finally, a reporter comes to Myers’ rescue and tries to sum up what she is attempting but failing to articulate, asking, “Would it be fair to say that everyone who knew him here thought he was discouraged, but no one thought he was suicidal?”
“Absolutely,” Myers concludes with considerable relief.
Soon after Myers’ briefing, the White House correct the report in Newsweek, saying that the president had not talked to Foster for twenty minutes on Sunday night — but, rather, on Monday, July 19, the night before Foster died. The White House adds that the president had called Foster, because he knew that Foster was “having a rough time” with his job. The president had called Foster at home, asking if he wanted to see a movie … snip … at the White House, along with Webster Hubbell and Bruce Lindsey. As Newsweek has accurately reported, Foster declined the invitation.
But why is the White House now suddenly conceding that Foster was depressed? Unknown to just about everyone at this time, including the Park Police and the Department of Justice, a torn-up note had been found among his possessions.
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That’s right, the bogus suicide note.
"I think he was going back and forth to Switzerland before the Clintons even came into office."
Perhaps. Before becoming President, the Clintons were involved in Mena and they might have had cash they needed squirreled away in a Swiss bank, no questions asked.
"I have always been puzzled by Mrs. Foster and how she so quickly claimed her husband was clearly suicidal."
Just to be clear, she didn’t initially say that. Just the opposite. The night of Foster's death, Park Police and FBI agents spent 70 minutes interviewing family members (including Lisa and Sheila). Here are some quotes from the Senate depositions of the police and agents, and their testimony about the interviews, including statements taken from Lisa and Sheila Foster:
"One of the last things I got from Mrs. Foster - I asked her was he - did you see this coming, was (sic) there any signs of this. . . .everyone said no, no, no, no, he was fine. This is out of the blue. . . (Foster's sister, Sheila Anthony) was talking with us. . . I spoke with her, (the other Park Police Investigator present in Foster home) spoke with her. She was very cordial. I remember asking her, did you see any of this coming, and she stated, no. Nobody would say anything about depression or that they noticed some signs, they were worried." "(We) asked, was there anything, did you see this forthcoming (sic), was there anything different about him, has he been depressed, and all the answers were no."
Note that Sheila also didn't tell the investigators a claim she would later make ... that she gave Vince the names of 3 psychiatrists. No, she only voiced that claim after the mysterious Whitehouse meeting, which she attended a week after Foster's death. And Starr also never mentioned that Sheila transferred $286,000 to Lisa Foster four days before Vince's death. What was that about? What were Lisa and Vince involved in? A good, non-corrupt special prosecutor would have looked into that. Neither Fiske or Starr did.
During the interview the night of Foster's death, Lisa Foster was asked by the Park Police if her husband had been taking ANY medication, specifically any anti-depressant medication, and she categorically answered "NO". Years later, a Senate staff attorney asked the investigator this:
“Q: Did anyone at the notification (the death notification) and initial interviews at the Foster home, 9:00 - 10:10 PM EDT on July 20 mention depression or anti depressant medication that Foster might have been taking?
A: I mentioned depression, did you see this coming, were there any signs, has he been taking any medication? No. All negative answers.”
The FBI agent who took Lisa Foster's statement the night of Vince's death wrote in his notes that "FOSTER complained to LISA FOSTER that he was suffering from insomnia." And she said Vince was “fighting a prescription”, not “fighting depression” as Starr would later claim the FBI said in his report.
The Final Senate Whitewater Investigation report states “Sergeant Braun testified that, from the investigation of the death scene and the interviews with the Foster family, the Park Police ``did not get any information that would confirm that Mr. Foster was depressed or had even discussed the possibility of committing suicide with any of his friends or relatives.''
The FBI interview of Foster’s family doctor, Larry Watkins, stated “[Watkins recalled that] Foster sounded a little tired . . . Watkins prescribed desyrel, 50 milligram tablets. . . . Watkins knew that it took 10 days to two weeks to take effect [as an antidepressant] but helps with insomnia, sometimes the very first day. . . . He felt it was important for Foster to start sleeping better and thought if he got some rest he would feel a lot better. He did not think that Foster was significantly depressed nor had Foster given the impression that he was 'in crisis.' From what Foster told him, Foster's condition sounded mild and situational. . . . Foster was not one to come to Watkins with stress-related problems. . . . Lisa [Foster's widow] told him that they had gone away and had a nice weekend on July 17-18. . . . He had the distinct impression . . . that Lisa was taken completely by surprise by this."
Beryl Anthony Foster, husband of Sheila Foster, was a former Democrat Congressman from Arkansas and a former President of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. In an interview on July 22, two days after Foster died, when asked if Foster had been depressed during the two weeks prior to death, Beryl is quoted saying: "There is not a damn thing to it. That's a bunch of crap."
In an interview with Federal agents in 1994, Web Hubbell recalled vacationing with Foster on the last weekend of his life. The agents wrote: “Hubbell said that he was not aware that Foster was experiencing any type of stress." "Hubbell answered no to all questions concerning any noticeable changes in Foster's appearance, physical ailments, headaches, loss of appetite or any kind of stomach trouble.'' And Hubbell was a very good friend of Vince Foster. You’d think his statement would carry some weight, but no, Starr, and Starr’s pet psychiatrist, Berman, completely ignored it.
And many other people in Foster's circle of friends and associates were interviewed or made statements in the following days regarding Foster’s mental state. For example, Patty Thomasson (another Clinton lackey … one who illegally entered Foster’s office the night of his death) stated that “I was in disbelief. I could not believe that my friend and colleague had killed himself.” She described his state of mind to the Senate committee thus: “I was so crushed that my friend killed himself, someone I worked with on a day-to-day basis. I felt somehow that I had failed. To not recognize in someone you work with every day that they were depressed and that stressed out was somehow a failure on the part of those who worked with him every day.”
Captain Hume of the Park Service interviewed Betsy Pond (White House Counsel Nussbaum's secretary), one of the last to see Foster alive. According to Hume’s notes she had a conversation with him around lunch time. He said he’d eat at his desk and ordered a cheeseburger, french fries, and a Coke … in other words he had a healthy appetite, not one indicative of depression. At 1300 hours, he came out of the office and told her, “I’ll be back. There are M&Ms left in my office.” Hume wrote “There was nothing unusual about his emotional state. In fact, over the last several week, she did not notice any changes, either physically or emotionally. She noticed no weight loss. She was unaware of him taking any medication or seeing any doctors…. She was not aware of any depression problems.” He also notes that Nussbaum appeared to try to intentionally disrupt the interview.
David Watkins (Assistant to the President for Management and Administration, who saw Foster every day) was also interviewed by the Park Policemen Braun and Rolla. In their first interview the night that Foster died, Braun asked Watkins if he knows of anything that had been bothering Foster, something that could have triggered a suicide. Watkins said he’d seen no sign of depression but was troubled over the Travel Office investigations.
Like I said earlier, there were lots of witnesses who said he wasn't depressed. Only three witnesses finally said he was ... Lisa, Sheila and Sheila's husband ... and they initially said he was not. They changed their story immediately after a meeting in the Whitehouse with Clinton.
As for Bill Clinton, even he said he saw no signs of depression. Here’s a quote from an Associated Press article dated Aug 2, 1996: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19960802&id=cWszAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RiEGAAAAIBAJ&pg=5526,3868068&hl=en . “Three years after Vince Foster’s suicide, President Clinton says he still regrets missing signs of depression from his old friend and White House aide. … snip … Clinton said he had called Foster the night before. “That was Monday. I told him I was busy on Tuesday and asked to meet him on Wednesday. He said, ’Sure,’ and sounded very calm. I don’t know whether at that time he had already decided to kill himself.”
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10) We also know there were a flurry of telephone conversations between the people in Foster’s office and Hillary Clinton that night and that Williams and Hillary lied when they initially denied those phone calls took place. A Congressional committee, however, found phone records proving that Hillary called Maggie Williams at 10:13 pm the night Foster died and that right after talking with Mrs. Clinton, Ms. Williams proceeded to the White House and Mr. Foster's Office. The committee also found that after searching Foster's office, Williams called Hillary back and they talked for 11 minutes. So Williams ended up having to admit that she had spoken with Hillary. She said she just forgot. Susan Thomases was another person that Hillary spoke to by phone repeatedly the night of Foster’s death and in the days to follow. A New York attorney, she served as personal counsel and informal advisor to Hillary at the time. Whatever was so urgent that she needed her staff to break into Foster’s office and safe that night to acquire, involved this woman. Of course, Thomases later told the Whitewater Committee, under oath, that her conversations with Hillary that night were of a “personal nature” and that she had not discussed the impending search of Foster’s office. Yeah. Right. The Committee concluded that she, along with Williams, Nussbaum and Hubbell, were “not candid” and that they’d “provided inaccurate and incomplete testimony to the committee in order to conceal Mrs. Clinton’s pivotal role in the decisions surrounding the handling of Mr Foster’s documents following his death.” She answered “I don’t recall” 184 times during those hearings. Yet Starr rejected the committee’s criminal referral against her for perjury. As I said, the fix was in and Ken Starr was part of it. By the way, Susan Thomas’s was also involved in the bogus suicide note. A White House log showed that she visited the White House for 6 hours, just one day after Nussbaum informed her that a “suicide note” had been found. That was not her usual day to visit. She told the Committee that she couldn’t remember what she did at the White House that day. She later admitted that she met in the White House residence with Hillary and Web Hubbell, but claimed they did not discuss the note. May they all rot in Hell for doing this to our country.
11) Starr outright lied about what Foster’s doctor said regarding Foster’s diagnosis and treatment. The lab work done as part of the autopsy found no trace of antidepressants and, specifically, the medication that Foster was taking for insomnia. No Trazodone or Valium derivatives. Only a retest … months later and conducted just before Fiske issued his suicide claiming report … found both Trazadone and Valium. Isn’t that a bit suspicious? Especially since we now know, thanks to the testimony of Dr. Frederic Whitehurst, who worked at the FBI labs during that time, that the FBI Labs were routinely tampering with evidence. Whitehurst, who ended up suing the FBI as a whistleblower, received a substantial cash settlement from the FBI suggesting that his allegations had merit. Where looking at a murder here, folks, that the Clintons and their people covered up. And perhaps committed.
12) Curiously, during Lisa Foster's FBI interview, her lawyer, James Hamilton, reminded everyone that photos of the suicide note were not to be allowed out, even in response to a Freedom of Information Act Request. Now how could he make such a demand? Where did his authority really come from? Well let me give you a clue. Hamilton was general counsel of the Clinton transition team and the author of a memo to Clinton counseling stonewalling in the Whitewater case. And Hamilton was the lawyer that helped keep the Foster death photos under lock and key ... the photos that might have told us conclusively whether Foster was murdered or not.
13) Both Starr (and Fiske) claimed Foster was losing weight as further evidence of depression. They claimed it was obvious to many. But Foster's medical records are actually consistent with Foster losing no weight between the time he took the job in Washington and died. They indicate that on December 31, 1992, at a physical the month before he went to Washington, he weighed 194 pounds. Foster's autopsy weight was 197 pounds. In short, Fiske and Starr lied to the public.
14) Regarding the Clinton's blind trust, which Foster was in charge of setting up, my understanding is that it was months late, then just three days after Foster's death, the trust declarations were suddenly delivered to the trustees … and and they did indeed have Vince Foster's "signature" on them. Or was it his signature?
15) Finally, there's the matter of how Foster got out of the WhiteHouse where his office was located without being observed or recorded leaving. Doesn't anyone else find that curious?
Get the picture folks? There’s just one suspicious peculiarity after another in this case. And the Trump DOJ should definitely investigate. Because there's no statute of limitation on murder, nor on covering up a murder I believe. And while they're at it, I also suggest they exhume Ron Brown’s body and look for evidence of a bullet injury to the brain. Multiple military and civilian pathologists looked at the x-rays and concluded that's what they saw. Because if there is such evidence, then it would be hard evidence that he didn’t die by accident in a plane crash. And just as with the Foster case, there are dozens of other facts that point to a murder and coverup. Find evidence of a bullet wound and dozens of democRATS, including the Clintons, might spend their final days in jail. And that would be a good end to their sorbid lives.
This is great, thanks so much! I knew about Foster’s frequent trips to Switzerland and the suspicion that he was doing some creative bookkeeping for the Clintons. However, a lot of the Vince Foster story has been sanitized off the internet. I found some mention of it, including dates, but it dated back to 1995. I think he was going back and forth to Switzerland before the Clintons even came into office.
It reminds me of Better Call Saul but with less likeable characters. Thanks for all the info, this will keep me busy for a while.
The biggest surprise for me in this body of research (I knew fragments of the story for years but not the whole picture) was Brett Kavanaugh. It took him 3 years to agree with Kenneth Starr. Was he just stalling? Was that due diligence? Or was he trying—as a young Washington hopeful—to win favor with Kenneth Starr and the Clintons? I remember how Kamala went after him in his hearings before he was named justice of the Supreme Court. Was that a Democrat hit job because Kavanaugh knew the truth about the Clintons?
Also, I have always been puzzled by Mrs. Foster and how she so quickly claimed her husband was clearly suicidal. However, if she was in on some of financial tricks the Clintons were doing, she had some incentives—the Clintons could try to pin the financial stuff on Mrs. Foster or they could cut her out of her share of the profits. Maybe she was just afraid that she could be next if she spoke out.
There was a wonderful book by a Secret Service agent who was on the Clinton detail (considered a punishment detail by the Secret Service). It’s called Crisis of Character and I read it years ago so my details may be a bit fuzzy. The author, Gary Aldrich, was sometimes a post-stander in the Oval Office under Clinton. He described a chilling scene that showed how masterful the Clintons were at threats. I forget the incident but this agent had witnessed something that Bill Clinton apparently felt had to be kept hushed up. Secret Service agents do this anyway, but I guess Bill was nervous. So Bill went up to this agent, very close, and gave him a creepy look and asked, “How’s your family?” This was 100% out of character for Clinton who normally never talked to the agents and certainly had no concern for their families. The agent said he perceived the message as a threat but it was delivered in a way that even if accurately described could be dismissed as not being threatening.
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6) Then there’s the matter of the green oven mitt. None of the three previous investigations (the Park Police's, the FBI's or Fiske's) had mentioned one. Starr, however, claimed it was found in the glove compartment of Foster's car the next day at the impound lot. Starr claimed it explained why Foster's fingerprints were not found on the gun (never mind the glaring logic that Foster would still have had to carry the gun, sans mitt, into the park and use it). Here, from Starr's report, is a picture of the oven mitt in the glove compartment: https://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/FAVISH/2400b.jpg. Yet, the Park Police *officially* inventoried the glove compartment and listed no oven mitt. In fact, the Park Police officer who searched the car testified under oath that there was "nothing out of the ordinary" in the glove compartment. And here's the kicker. A picture (https://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/FAVISH/2112mid4.jpg) from Starr’s report, taken while the car was still at Fort Marcy Park the night Foster died, shows debris on the floor of the front passenger seat. But the Park Police records say that Detective Braun emptied the glove box of all items before detective Smith removed and catalogued the debris. In fact, the records show Braun emptied the glove box prior to leaving the Park Police impound lot at 6:35 AM on July 21st. Detective Smith’s paperwork shows him cleaning off the passenger side floor after noon on the July 21st. That means the photograph in Starr's report with an open glove compartment containing a big green oven mitt above a clean passenger side floor is in direct contradiction to the Park Police record. If you ask me, the only logical conclusion is that Starr's photo of the oven mitt was STAGED and taken after the fact. This alone is 100% proof of murder coverup in this case.
7) Starr showed no interest in Foster's multiple one day trips to Switzerland. Just weeks before he died, Foster purchased another one-day round trip ticket. They obviously were business and it's widely known that Switzerland is where people hide money. So was he hiding money for himself or someone else? And why did he cancel the last trip just before his death? Starr and Fiske showed absolutely no interest in investigating these trips which is odd. Certainly, Foster would have known a lot about the Clintons, given that he was their personal attorney and a business partner in various ventures. If the Clintons were involved in something nefarious, he would have known. And if Foster was growing unstable, unable to handle the pressure of his job, as even the official story wants us to suggest, he'd have posed a risk to the Clintons. That’s motive for murder.
8) Which brings me to the highly suspicious activities of the Clinton staff the night Foster died. That night, Bernard Nussbaum, Hillary's Chief of Staff Maggie Williams, and her aide Patsy Thomasson entered Foster's office, which the Park Service had requested be considered a crime scene. They opened a safe in the office (which the White House at first claimed didn't exist). We know that Foster's secretary, Deborah Gorham, testified that two unmailed letters from Foster to Janet Reno and Kennedy, which were in the safe before his death, disappeared. We know a Secret Service agent, Officer O'Neill, testified under oath that he saw Williams removing stacks of files from Foster's office. Williams initially denied that but Tom Castleton, a junior aide who helped Miss Williams remove the files, said in his deposition that he had been told by Miss Williams that the folders were being sent to the residence so that the President or First Lady could review them. Among the documents were Whitewater billing records that were under a subpoena at the time. They turned up in the Whitehouse residence just after the statute of limitation of the crimes to which they pertained had elapsed. Only later did Maggie Williams admit to Whitewater investigators that the first lady ordered her to take sensitive documents from Vince Fosters office and store them in the White House residence. For her part in this coverup, Maggie Williams was amply rewarded. She remained at Hillary’s side, even acting as campaign manager in 2008. She joined Hillary’s State Department in 2011 and got “special status” at the State Department allowing her to work on women’s issues while maintaining her own business.
9) And Williams wasn’t the only one who apparently removed documents from Foster’s office. Secret Service memos indicated Craig Livingstone was one of the first to be notified about Foster's death. Now we know who hired Craig Livingstone. A Clinton administration staffer testified under oath that Hillary hired him. She denied even knowing him but we know that's a lie because a Judicial Watch FOIA request years later uncovered pictures of Hillary and Craig together on multiple occasions ... walking side by side and looking at each other, laughing, as if sharing some funny joke. And year's later Craig himself stated publicly that Hillary not only knew him but hired him. Now Livingston claimed he was told about Foster’s death around 9 pm, then went to the morgue to identify the body, then went to Foster's home where he (and Kennedy) stayed until 2 am. Livingstone said he went home, got some sleep, then arrived back at the Foster home at 6:30 am. But he didn't go in. He strangely stayed in his car until 8 am, then he drove to the Whitehouse and logged in (at 8:14 am). He admitted to visiting the White House Counsel's suite several times that morning but claimed he didn't go in Foster's office or remove any documents. But a Secret Service agent (Bruce Abbot) said he observed Livingstone exiting the West Wing carrying a “leather or vinyl-type briefcase, opening from the top, much in the fashion of a litigator’s bag or lawyer’s briefcase.” He returned, then later, accompanied by an individual not known to agent, and left the building again. The agent told Senate investigators “I observed that [unknown] individual carrying one or perhaps two boxes with what appeared to be, looked to me to be loose-leaf binders.” So just what was Livingstone moving around? We never did find out. But we do know that he’s the guy who visited Foster’s body in the morgue the night of his death and happened to find Foster’s missing car keys in pant’s pockets already checked by FBI and Park Police. When Livingstone was questioned by Fiske's people, he gave statements that contradicted the account being given by the White House. A law enforcement source at the interrogation was quoted saying "it was clear to everyone in the room, including (Livingstone's) attorney, that he was not telling the truth." Yet when Livingstone asked to stop the questioning, Fiske's people let him leave. Then during a second interview, he showed up with new legal representation and a story more in line with White House claims about what happened. At the second meeting, Livingstone's new attorney told investigators that Livingstone had been confused about the times, but had written a memo-to-file detailing the chronology of his activities ... and then told them the memo had disappeared. When investigators asked for a set of all Livingstone's memos to file, they were told he hadn't written any before or since. And despite all that, Fiske accepted Livingstone's memo story at face value. If you ask me, it's clear that Fiske was part of a coverup. They were ALL doing everything they could to protect Hillary and Bill. And may they all rot in Hell for it.
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I don't understand about the oven mitt. I saw it as a controversial bit of evidence omitted or covered up from the official reports, but why would Vince Foster carry around an oven mitt in his car?
“why would Vince Foster carry around an oven mitt in his car?”
I can’t think of one reason and Starr didn’t offer one. He simply claimed that the oven mitt is how the gun got to the park and had no finger prints on it (never mind that the oven mitt was *found* in the glove compartment and therefore Foster would still have had to put his bare hands on the gun at some point in order to get it out of the over mitt, put it in his coat pocket, get it out of the pocket and use it on himself.
The oven mitt was also introduced by Starr to tie the gun back to Foster, since serious questions about whether the gun was Foster’s had arisen in the previous investigations. Starr claimed that Doctor Lee Berman found particles of lead and sunflower seeds in Foster’s front pocket and in the inside of the “oven mitt recovered from Mr Foster’s car.” He said this evidence “tends to link” both the oven mitt and gun to Foster and “thus refute the theory that the manner of death was not suicide”.
But let me point out, regarding Berman’s *evidence*, that he’s the same *expert* Starr used to support the claim that Foster was clinically depressed, even though none of the MANY witnesses said Vince was depressed, even though Vince’s own doctor said he was NOT clinically depressed, and even though the doctor said the medicine he was taking was for insomnia, not depression as claimed in Lisa's FBI witness statement that that Starr altered for the Starr Report.
And as I noted, it was after Clinton met with Lisa, her sister, and her sister’s husband in the White House a week or so after Vince’s death that all three suddenly changed their previous statements about depression 180 degrees and claimed Vince was clinically depressed. They were the only three witnesses whose statements Starr quoted in his report. What I’m saying is that I think Berman clearly lied about what he found in Foster’s pocket and the mitt simply to support Starr coverup because he helped Starr fabricate the depression claim.
Now proving the gun was Foster’s was important because this black revolver ( https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/GUN/favgun.jpg ) reportedly found in Foster's hand was not one of the two handguns that Vince kept in his Georgetown house. On May 9, NINE MONTHS after Foster’s death and long after Lisa met with Bill Clinton in the WhiteHouse, the FBI (during their investigation of Foster’s death) succeeded in getting Lisa Foster to identify that black gun as *possibly* the silver gun (she used the word silver three times in describing her gun in the FBI’s FD-302a report) that she had brought to Washington. And lest you think that lighting in that photo might allow for the revolver to have been silver, the Park Police reported that the gun in Foster’s hand was BLACK (https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/GUN/Gun_lab_rep.jpg). But black … silver … what difference does it make, right Hillary?
Now as to the oven mitt being omitted or covered up in the “official” reports, long before those reports were written, the Park Police did an inventory of the contents of the glove compartment and the car. The inventory was so thorough that they even recorded what specific coin change was found in the car. The Park Police officer who searched the car testified under oath there was "nothing out of the ordinary" in the glove compartment. A large green oven mitt is far from ordinary. And there was absolutely no mention of an oven mitt by the Park Police, FBI or Fiske (who all investigated the matter at one time or another). It was ONLY mentioned in Kenneth Starr’s report and that’s where the first picture to show it appeared.
As for the ignificance of the oven mitt … as I pointed out above, the Starr Report shows a picture that the Park Police took of the passenger side of the car when it was still at Fort Marcy Park, the night of Foster’s death. This one: https://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/FAVISH/2112mid4.jpg. That picture shows there was material on the floor of the front passenger seat. Now according to Park Police records, Detective Braun emptied the glove box of all items at 6:35 AM on July 21st, prior to Detective Smith removing the debris from the passenger seat floor after 12 "noon" on July 21st. But here from the Starr Report is a picture of the big green oven mitt inside the glove compartment: https://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/FAVISH/2400b.jpg. Notice that there is no debris on the floor of the passenger side seat, which flatly contradict the Park Police records. This is more proof that Starr fabricated evidence to fit his *suicide* conclusion. Vince Foster was murdered.
By the way, as to why the oven mitt wasn’t on the official contents list produced by the Park Police, Starr claimed that White House counsel William Kennedy (who was also demonstrably corrupt) kept the oven mitt six or more months before handing it over to Fiske’s FBI agents. Never mind that there is absolutely no written record of Kennedy ever having given any items to FBI investigators form Fiske's office. Or of him being in contact with the car before the inventory was done the next day. And Starr wanted us to believe that the Park Police were so sloppy that they were letting Clinton’s staff walk off with evidence like that in a possible murder case.
In fact, the record directly contradicts the after the fact claim by Starr and Kennedy. The FBI report of it’s May 1994 interview with William Kennedy indicates that Mr Kennedy did not pick up the car from the Police for at least 6 weeks. The FBI’s report also states that Craig Livingston took control of the car after Kennedy picked it up and parked it on the street for 2 weeks. Then when the car was disposed of, according to the FBI, “Kennedy retrieved … [mostly] junk such as M&Ms, plastic cups... [and] threw most of these items away but still has some items in his possession." Thus, Kennedy had no opportunity to grab a oven mitt before the inventory by the Park Police the day after Foster’s death. So Starr's explanation is obviously bogus in this regard too. Everything surrounding the oven mitt is one big fabrication and proof that Starr was working for the Clintons the whole time.
Look at some of the other ways that Starr conveniently helped the Clintons over the years.
In the Foster case, an FBI memo to the Director of the FBI, written two days after Foster’s death by FBI agents at the scene, stated that the shot was fired into Foster's mouth without leaving an exit wound. This is completely contrary to the official claim that there was a gaping hole in the back of Foster’s head. Yet Starr failed to tell the three judge panel monitoring his activities, as well as the public, about this memo.
In the Foster case, Starr and his people harassed Patrick Knowlton in the manner described by Knowlton in an addendum that the panel of judges ordered Starr to attach to his report. Starr then ignore the judge's order and did not attach the addendum to his report when he issued it to the public ... thus keeping the public in the dark about both the addendum and his harassment.
Starr failed to ask Linda Tripp, one of the key Filegate witnesses, rather obvious and critical questions. Tripp expressed her surprise at how little he delved into the matter. And despite having sworn statements that Hillary was behind Filegate, Starr questioned Hillary for less than 10 minutes. That’s when she denied knowing Livingstone, which was a transparent lie.
Note that Starr announced to the public shortly after the existence of the FBI files was confirmed, that the files had all been returned to the FBI. But years later, during a live TV interview with Sam Donaldson and George Will, special prosecutor Robert Ray, Ken Starr's successor, admitted that the FBI files were still in the Clinton Whitehouse hands. In other words, Starr deliberately lied to the American Public and allowed the Clinton Whitehouse to retain the blackmail material they'd acquired in FileGate.
Tripp also told Starr that she had evidence directly linking the White House to Travelgate, Filegate and Chinagate. These were actually the bigger stories, but Starr ignored those and instead just pursued the sex-related allegations. I think that’s because he and Clinton knew those could be spun and were not serious. In fact, the blue dress was revealed by Starr just about the time that the media was starting to show an interest in the circumstances surrounding the death of Ron Brown. After the blue dress was outed, all interest in Brown’s death faded away.
And then there's the fact that Starr showed absolutely no interest at all in the death of Ron Brown, perhaps the biggest scandal of them all since it involved the death of a Secretary of Commerce and everyone on board a plane. Surely someone out to "get Clinton", as the Clintons claimed, would have investigated Brown's death … because that scandal had real meat on the bone. Plus, Brown's death was connected to Chinagate and there was a mountain of evidence pointing to Clinton’s personal involvement in a scheme to steal the election of 1996 with illegal money from Communist China. But Starr showed no interest. Do you know that Nolanda Hill, a close friend and business associate of Ron Brown, testified that “[W]hen Starr was appointed, they were opening champagne bottles in the White House, they were celebrating.” You can see why.
And regarding the allegations of rape by Juanita Broaddrick against Clinton, Starr again showed no interest, not even meeting her. even though (his words), "The investigators found her entirely credible." And yet here's what Starr said about Bill Clinton years later. "His genuine empathy for human beings is absolutely clear." "President Clinton was and perhaps still is the most gifted politician of the baby boomer generation. He just has remarkable gifts." "President [Jimmy] Carter set a very high standard, which President Clinton clearly continues to follow." Those aren't the words of someone who actually tried to get Clinton. Just saying ...
No hurry. I'm going to be away for about 2 weeks.
Bill Clinton won the election in 1992 and entered office on January 20, 1993. His resume was pretty meager: he was a governor of a flyover state. Arkansas at that time had a poverty rate of about 14%, close to the national average, so Clinton was no political superhero. He had a Southern accent and charisma which was offset by his rather unpleasant wife, who was a lawyer at some Little Rock law firm. She was 46 when she got to the White House and she had already been a Goldwater Girl, changed parties, and gotten in trouble a few times.
The Clintons were not Beltway insiders. It almost seems like they arrived at the White House like the Clampetts arriving in Beverly Hills. I am puzzled how they got such Deep State protection so fast.
The Clintons put a lot of their cronies in high offices--which is not out of the ordinary. But how were these guys able to protect the Clintons so well so fast? By July of 1993--just six months into the first term--there are at least 3 major Clinton scandals I can think of just off the top of my head (Nannygate, Travelgate, Whitewater) and I'm not sure where the beef futures scandal comes in. Plus there is a suspicious death of Vince Foster (Brown would die a few years later).
How were they so tightly protected? How did they manage to orchestrate a hit on a public official and then pull the strings to bury that and many other scandals?
Obama came into office as a political nobody but I think he was selected for the office. Was Clinton selected, too? Or do you think his criminal network goes back to the Mena Airport days and he just imported those intelligence ties to guard his presidency?
I don't think we've ever had a Presidential duo as absolutely and relentlessly criminal as the Clintons and it puzzles me that he was just a yokel from Arkansas and she was an annoying lady lawyer from Chicago. Why did the Deep State anoint them?
"The Clintons were not Beltway insiders. … snip … I am puzzled how they got such Deep State protection so fast."
Perhaps because they were groomed by Fabian Socialists. As for Hillary, look no further than her mentor, friend and backer, George Soros, who attended the London School of Economics. And the person who helped Bill Clinton get his Rhodes scholarship at Oxford was leftist Historian Carroll Quigley, who got his education at Fabian controlled Harvard University in the 30s when Fabian Socialists were busy making FDR president and making sure their agenda was his.
After college, Quigley taught at Princeton, Harvard and Georgetown University, helping create the next generation of Fabian Socialists ... one of them Bill Clinton. In 1966, about 10 years before his death, Quigley published his Opus Magnum, a book titled Tragedy and Hope. In the book, he made light of what he referred to as the "wild-eyed and bushy-haired theoreticians of Socialist Harvard and the London School of Economics,” who were “determined to bring the United States into World War II on the side of England (Roosevelt’s first love) and Soviet Russia (his second love) in order to destroy every finer element of American life and, as part of this consciously planned scheme, invited Japan to attack Pearl Harbor, and destroyed Chiang Kai-shek, all the while undermining America’s real strength by excessive spending and unbalanced budgets. In other words, without mentioning the word Fabian Socialist (probably because he didn’t want folks to look them up by name), he made fun of the notion that they’d infiltrated our government. He said that was a fairy tale from the “radical right”. But as you can see from what I’ve already pointed out about their infiltration of Teddy’s, Wilson’s and FDR’s presidencies, it was no fairy tale. Which makes me suspicious Quigley was a Fabian.
But while he was careful to never mentioned Fabian Socialism, he did write a lot about the Round Table, which he said played a significant role in recent world history. He wrote “There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the Radical right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other group, and frequently does so. I know of the operation of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records.” What better way to divert attention from Fabians than to offer another conspiracy. Of course, he then made light of Round Table’s activities, as well, saying “I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments.”
But he still appeared to have possibly gotten in trouble with them. You see, despite the book’s scope, his credentials, and it being sold by a major publisher, it attracted very few reviews, and they were mostly critical. As a result the book bombed. Perhaps that’s because the powers that be made sure it did. Indeed, when he was interviewed before his death, Quigley warned the interviewer (Robert Eringer) that writing about him and his book could get Eringer in trouble. Could it be that Quigley had exposed too many details about how much influence the Milner Group’s Round Table had in the 20th century? And since the Milner group and the Fabians often worked together towards common goals, perhaps both decided to silence him. Remember, Fabian Socialists still valued stealth and anonymity.
In any case, by not mentioning Fabian Socialism and the impact it had on various Presidents and their agenda, I view the book as a whitewash of the 1880s to 1960, which makes me think it was a deliberate deception to try and make people ignore Fabian Socialists and what they had done and were still busy doing in America. And Quigley is the guy who guided and mentored the beginnings of Bill Clinton’s career.
He obviously had a profound affect on Bill Clinton since Bill mentioned him in his first inaugural speech as governor of Arkansas, when he launched his presidential bid, and when he accepted the presidential nomination at the Democratic National Convention in 1992. And while at Oxford, no doubt Clinton was likely indoctrinated in Fabian thinking. That’s when Clinton learned Fabian Speak … calling higher taxes “contributions,” calling government spending “investment,” and calling private property owners “special interests”.
"Was Clinton selected, too? Or do you think his criminal network goes back to the Mena Airport days and he just imported those intelligence ties to guard his presidency?"
Both. Do you know Bill Clinton first attended a Fabian affiliated Bilderberger meeting In 1991, just before he was elected president. Clinton was the governor of tiny Arkansas at the time. Why would he be invited to such a prestigious and secretive meeting of world leaders? Because he was selected. But by who?
I used the word affiliated above because Joseph Retinger, one of the Bilderberger’s founders, studied at LSE and then collaborated with the Fabian Society to found the “European Movement” that led to the EU. So I imagine Fabians chose Clinton to bring the US even further into their clutches. And why would Clinton offer such promise to them? Because Clinton was a mobster.
As I’ve told you previously, Bill Clinton grew up in a hot spot of mob activities in the US with a mother who was involved with mobsters. When he returned to Arkansas in 1974, after his schooling was complete, he immediately ran for Congress. Clinton biographer Roger Morris wrote: "A relative unknown, he faces an imposing field of rivals in the Democratic primary, and beyond, in the general election, a powerful Republican incumbent. Yet as soon as he enters the race, Mr. Clinton enjoys a decisive seven-to-one advantage in campaign funds over the nearest Democratic competitor, and will spend twice as much as his well-supported GOP opponent.” In other words, it looks like mob money financed his campaign.
And once he was Governor and even President, the Clintons made money like mobsters do. That’s what Whitewater was all about. That’s what Hillary’s cattle futures was all about. That’s what Vince Foster one day trips to Switzerland were all about. And they rewarded those who helped them like mobsters do. That’s why he appointed Jim McDougal to be an economic development advisor. That's why they threatened and punished those who hurt them like mobsters do. That’s why Vince had to die. That’s why Lisa Foster, her sister, her sister’s husband, and so many others, were and still are afraid of the Clintons.
And I think the greed and all the skeletons associated with that made the Clinton's vulnerable to blackmail by people even more powerful than him ... the Fabians who pull the strings behind the scenes. The Clintons' ability to get things done made them useful to them in terms of furthering the Fabian agenda. And they were blackmailable not only because of their mob activities but because of their personal flaws … especially Bill's use of drugs and his inability to control his sexual appetites. But of course, being as smart as they were, the Clintons in turn learned thing about their puppet masters that they could use to keep from being hurt by them.
And, of course, the Clintons brought people from both groups into the White House with them … people like Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin (who attended the London School of Economics) and Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott (who was Clinton’s roommate at Oxford). The Clinton Whitehouse was riddled with such people. It was also riddled with people who had mob connections, like Patsy Thomasson, Director of the Clinton White House Office of Administration (and who was involved in various scandals such as the coverup of Foster’s murder). She was a top lieutenant for convicted drug dealer Don Lasater, who was pardoned by Clinton. Like former State Trooper Buddy Young, Clinton’s Chief of Security, who was one of three who beat up Gary Johnson (nearly killed him) in June of 1992, after stealing his security camera video tapes of Bill entering Gennifer Flowers’ condominium (at a time when the Clintons were publicly denying the affair). Later, in payment, Buddy got a nice job at FEMA. The other two former troopers involved in the attack, Larry Patterson and Roger Perry, didn't and went public in 1993. That’s how we know about this. You see, the Clinton’s didn’t just have connections to the mob, they acted like mobsters themselves. They had mobsters on their staff, employing mobster tactics. They all testified under oath like mobsters. And their underlings all feared them. And over time, the all began to think like Fabians which just made it easier for the folks behind the curtain to control them. Just saying …
The Fabian Socialists are so enigmatic to me. They are demonstrably involved in everything rotten politically, and yet are all but unknown to the mainstream and even to political denizens. They're the true anonymous power brokers. What are Obama's ties to the Fabian Socialists? If ever a guy was handpicked, groomed, and selected to be elected it was Barry.
A fundamental difference between the Clintons and the Obamas has to be their relative independence. The Clintons did not seem to have a handler, at least not one that survived.
Bob Fosse could not have choreographed a career better than what the handlers did for Barack Obama. Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice, and many others were likely placed strategically in the Obama's orbit to help guide the Obamas (and possibly to do their wet work). Obama's meteoric rise to power with a speech at the DNC was all scripted and Obama seemed the ideal combination of smart and lazy to be putty in the hands of savvy flattering handlers.
Biden was used by the Democrats to be a placeholder for Obama's third term, but I think the Peter Principle applied. Obama was functional--at least somewhat--as long as he had handlers. But once Barck Obama became the handler, he botched it. He over-delegated, underperformed, and probably spent more time getting high than scheming and planning. Barack Obama rose to his level of incompetence, which is why I think Democrats are becoming increasingly dismissive of him.
I don't think Bill and Hillary ever intended to step behind the curtain and be remote rulers in the style of the Obamas. I think they enjoy the thrill of the crime too much.
Very informative, as usual. I knew that Arkansas was a mob hotspot back in the day, particularly Hot Springs, but I didn't connect those dots to Clinton. One thing I've always wondered about is the Bill and Hillary romance. Hillary was from Chicago, another mob hot spot, but I don't know that she had criminal ties in her undergraduate years. From my readings, it appears that Bill and Hillary met at school, specifically in the library of Yale University. The sappy official stories say Bill chased Hillary who kept refusing his proposals of marriage until one day she said yes--but she insisted on certain conditions: no engagement ring, no big ceremony, no party, and she could keep her surname. She did all but the last one.
So how did these two find each other? Was it like Bonnie and Clyde, where two psychopaths recognize each other? I am convinced they will stay married since spouses cannot be compelled to testify against each other. But how did they strike this weird balance of power? They strike me as a couple who don't much like each other but are utterly loyal to one another, almost like business partners who lead separate lives but back each other's business plays.
Hillary is reportedly a disagreeable person with anger issues and narcissistic demands. By all accounts, Bill seems more relaxed and smarter plus he's charismatic (which doesn't mean he isn't a psychopath). Even among ardent Democrats, they are a "love him, hate her" kind of couple.
I never thought that the Monica Lewinsky or "other women" scandals mattered one bit to Hillary. In the stratosphere of political power couples, I think the rules and expectations in marriage are different. I've even met some corporate big shots who have very traditional marriages (on the outside) but where the partners live completely separate lives (secret from the world but known to each other). In other words, adultery only matters if your partner thinks it matters.
Any insight into how these two colossal misfits got together? Arranged?