If by your question, you mean where does the buck stop, the answer is none of the people you mentioned. They're all puppets ... intermediaries ... in one way or another. Even Obama, because there's no way he went from a complete nobody to President in the time he did without someone(s) behind the scenes in the shadows, in very Fabian-Like fashion, pulling the strings, telling him what to do, helping him do it. This is exactly what makes Fabian Socialism so dangerous. You can't identify the real enemy ... so you can't easily defeat it.
I got a book on Fabian socialism to learn more about it but the book mainly talks about people/events and does not explain how Fabianism (is that the word?) ties in. I'd like to understand it better since no one is talking about it. How did it start? How does a person become a Fabian socialist? What does that mean? How far back does it go?
Do you have any book recommendations? I tend to be a book-learner so that would be a good starting place for me.
As for Obama, I think he is an intelligence plant. I am researching that now. His mother and grandparents were CIA. Not sure if he is CIA or CIA-adjacent. He was definitely groomed to the office and has been effective (in a bad way) because he is a very fluent speaker. I think of him as the first hipster politician. I don't think Obama is behind this--you're right, none of the people whose faces we see are behind this.
A long time ago, Donald Trump was interviewed by Laura Ingraham of Fox. Ingraham has been a DC reporter and attorney/law clerk for over 20 years. She knows everybody. She asked Trump--in this context--who is really running the Biden administration. And Trump said, "Nobody you'd know," he answered (or something like that, I'm working from memory here).
That answer stunned me and stuck with me. Ingraham knows EVERYONE in DC. The fact that the people behind the curtain are people she would not have ever met or interacted with tells me that they are a very secretive bunch. We could run into them on the street and not know them. Biden/Harris is an interesting administration because they are getting us used to the idea that the people in power are just mannequins. Biden wasn't running anything. Harris never got a vote. These people are installed.
Anyway, think about a good starter book for me on Fabian Socialism.
“I got a book on Fabian socialism to learn more about it but the book mainly talks about people/events and does not explain how Fabianism (is that the word?) ties in. I'd like to understand it better since no one is talking about it. How did it start? How does a person become a Fabian socialist? What does that mean? How far back does it go? Do you have any book recommendations?”
Hi. Sorry to be slow in getting back to you. I first learned about Fabian Socialism during the run up to Obama’s election, when Glenn Beck did a number of chalk board presentation on the subject during his Glen Beck shows. These presentations were fascinating, so I dug deeper, and found Beck was telling the truth … there was such a group of people and they did seem to be manipulating events.
One of the sources I found was a VERY good book titled “High Road To Socialism in the USA” by Rose L Martin, published in 1966. You can access and read it here: https://archive.org/details/fabianfreewayhig0000mart_j1v4/mode/2up, with a free account. It brings the story up to the mid-1960s. I have to warn you it’s over 500 pages long but it contains a LOT of good information. And even at 500 plus pages, the author wasn’t able to include many other important facts that I’ve encountered in reading other sources. But all in all, it is a pretty complete description of the threat.
The author presents the facts in a long multi-chaptered narrative that moves through time. I’d call it wordy but it’s well written, colorful, and therefore an enjoyable read. The story is convoluted at times so one can get a little lost in the weeds, but on the whole, I think the author did an amazing job. Unfortunately, I think that in trying to add a lot of color so it’s an enjoyable read, the author made the book so long that few people would read it. It’s history after all. That is especially true today, when we most need to make the public aware of the truth about the Fabian Society before it’s too late..
That said, I still think this is the best place to start if you want to delve into the Fabian Society’s beginnings, many of the important people in the society, the society’s goals and methods, and it’s first eighty years or so of history (all the way up to LBJ). I’ve verified many things in it. It’s not a propaganda-filled piece (it’s factual) and is definitely not trying to hide what Fabian Socialism is, like so many other books and articles written over the years have tried to do. It’s a book trying to expose what was and still is an evil plot against the US and the world. That said, there are topics the author either overlooked, didn’t emphasize enough in my mind, or must have felt there was no room to discuss in what was already a 500 page book. Many topics had to be condensed out of necessity.
Now because I think we need something more concise than a 500 page book to open people eyes to the danger we face, I recently began trying to construct a much more abbreviated get-to-the-point time line that shows how Fabian Socialism began as a movement, it’s goals and methods, some of the ways it’s influenced at least the United States, and some of the people and organizations that have been part of the movement or influenced by it. It contains titles of and links to a number of very important books, one being Rose L Martin’s. The others were books written by early Fabians before they realized publishing such books might be a bad idea if they wanted to reach their goal.
I was putting this together in a format I could post on Truth Social (a series of Truths) but never got around to actually doing it because, that site, frankly, makes it VERY cumbersome to post anything of any length, and I wasn't sure anyone would even look at it. Anyway, if you're interested, I might post what I have here. It’s not a finished product and would take a number of days to reorganized in a form better suited to this site (where more can posted at once). I’d probably end up wanting to do some more editing along the way which would delay it even further. But it might help get you get an even clearer picture of what *I think* to be true and then you can go from there. It will still be rather lengthy but it contains more information than the book on several topics and it moves the story beyond 1966 to the present.
Two more points. There are so many people, organizations and events that are interweaved in this timeline, that there’s some skipping around in time that can’t be helped (as in the Martin book). That can be confusing at times. Also, there may be a bit of plagiarism in some parts of what I’ve put together from the many sources. Some of the descriptions and sentences may still be the same or close to when I encountered them on the road to putting it together. I have no interest in trying to rewrite and source everything now because have no plan to sell this.
If by your question, you mean where does the buck stop, the answer is none of the people you mentioned. They're all puppets ... intermediaries ... in one way or another. Even Obama, because there's no way he went from a complete nobody to President in the time he did without someone(s) behind the scenes in the shadows, in very Fabian-Like fashion, pulling the strings, telling him what to do, helping him do it. This is exactly what makes Fabian Socialism so dangerous. You can't identify the real enemy ... so you can't easily defeat it.
I got a book on Fabian socialism to learn more about it but the book mainly talks about people/events and does not explain how Fabianism (is that the word?) ties in. I'd like to understand it better since no one is talking about it. How did it start? How does a person become a Fabian socialist? What does that mean? How far back does it go?
Do you have any book recommendations? I tend to be a book-learner so that would be a good starting place for me.
As for Obama, I think he is an intelligence plant. I am researching that now. His mother and grandparents were CIA. Not sure if he is CIA or CIA-adjacent. He was definitely groomed to the office and has been effective (in a bad way) because he is a very fluent speaker. I think of him as the first hipster politician. I don't think Obama is behind this--you're right, none of the people whose faces we see are behind this.
A long time ago, Donald Trump was interviewed by Laura Ingraham of Fox. Ingraham has been a DC reporter and attorney/law clerk for over 20 years. She knows everybody. She asked Trump--in this context--who is really running the Biden administration. And Trump said, "Nobody you'd know," he answered (or something like that, I'm working from memory here).
That answer stunned me and stuck with me. Ingraham knows EVERYONE in DC. The fact that the people behind the curtain are people she would not have ever met or interacted with tells me that they are a very secretive bunch. We could run into them on the street and not know them. Biden/Harris is an interesting administration because they are getting us used to the idea that the people in power are just mannequins. Biden wasn't running anything. Harris never got a vote. These people are installed.
Anyway, think about a good starter book for me on Fabian Socialism.
“I got a book on Fabian socialism to learn more about it but the book mainly talks about people/events and does not explain how Fabianism (is that the word?) ties in. I'd like to understand it better since no one is talking about it. How did it start? How does a person become a Fabian socialist? What does that mean? How far back does it go? Do you have any book recommendations?”
Hi. Sorry to be slow in getting back to you. I first learned about Fabian Socialism during the run up to Obama’s election, when Glenn Beck did a number of chalk board presentation on the subject during his Glen Beck shows. These presentations were fascinating, so I dug deeper, and found Beck was telling the truth … there was such a group of people and they did seem to be manipulating events.
One of the sources I found was a VERY good book titled “High Road To Socialism in the USA” by Rose L Martin, published in 1966. You can access and read it here: https://archive.org/details/fabianfreewayhig0000mart_j1v4/mode/2up, with a free account. It brings the story up to the mid-1960s. I have to warn you it’s over 500 pages long but it contains a LOT of good information. And even at 500 plus pages, the author wasn’t able to include many other important facts that I’ve encountered in reading other sources. But all in all, it is a pretty complete description of the threat.
The author presents the facts in a long multi-chaptered narrative that moves through time. I’d call it wordy but it’s well written, colorful, and therefore an enjoyable read. The story is convoluted at times so one can get a little lost in the weeds, but on the whole, I think the author did an amazing job. Unfortunately, I think that in trying to add a lot of color so it’s an enjoyable read, the author made the book so long that few people would read it. It’s history after all. That is especially true today, when we most need to make the public aware of the truth about the Fabian Society before it’s too late..
That said, I still think this is the best place to start if you want to delve into the Fabian Society’s beginnings, many of the important people in the society, the society’s goals and methods, and it’s first eighty years or so of history (all the way up to LBJ). I’ve verified many things in it. It’s not a propaganda-filled piece (it’s factual) and is definitely not trying to hide what Fabian Socialism is, like so many other books and articles written over the years have tried to do. It’s a book trying to expose what was and still is an evil plot against the US and the world. That said, there are topics the author either overlooked, didn’t emphasize enough in my mind, or must have felt there was no room to discuss in what was already a 500 page book. Many topics had to be condensed out of necessity.
Now because I think we need something more concise than a 500 page book to open people eyes to the danger we face, I recently began trying to construct a much more abbreviated get-to-the-point time line that shows how Fabian Socialism began as a movement, it’s goals and methods, some of the ways it’s influenced at least the United States, and some of the people and organizations that have been part of the movement or influenced by it. It contains titles of and links to a number of very important books, one being Rose L Martin’s. The others were books written by early Fabians before they realized publishing such books might be a bad idea if they wanted to reach their goal.
I was putting this together in a format I could post on Truth Social (a series of Truths) but never got around to actually doing it because, that site, frankly, makes it VERY cumbersome to post anything of any length, and I wasn't sure anyone would even look at it. Anyway, if you're interested, I might post what I have here. It’s not a finished product and would take a number of days to reorganized in a form better suited to this site (where more can posted at once). I’d probably end up wanting to do some more editing along the way which would delay it even further. But it might help get you get an even clearer picture of what *I think* to be true and then you can go from there. It will still be rather lengthy but it contains more information than the book on several topics and it moves the story beyond 1966 to the present.
Two more points. There are so many people, organizations and events that are interweaved in this timeline, that there’s some skipping around in time that can’t be helped (as in the Martin book). That can be confusing at times. Also, there may be a bit of plagiarism in some parts of what I’ve put together from the many sources. Some of the descriptions and sentences may still be the same or close to when I encountered them on the road to putting it together. I have no interest in trying to rewrite and source everything now because have no plan to sell this.
Let me know what you think.